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  • Complicated and difficult friend - how to deal with it?

    OK. So I won't say difficult as in negative. It's positive. But the way I see things is that ... I work alone, but I do cooperate in larger scale with other research and thus I see this one person daily. Not just daily, but most of the day. So we talk a lot. It's pretty cool, you know I really think we get along well, which is important.

    However, our discussions ranges from... professional to sometimes semi-personal. It's kind of personal but very polite, as in there's always these disclaimers we say and apologize for things that do not need to be apologized for. So it's very polite, but that's because it's also personal within professional settings. So I think we're both testing boundaries as to what is still comfortable and what's not.

    So basically we talk a lot, go to lunch almost every day and so forth, so a trust has been established. So what I think will be difficult for me is to deal with... basically I think she trusts me to much and it's my fault. Because we have similiar interests and also share information, so we educate each other as well. However my style of doing that might be too personal. As in I often see that something she might ask or say or tell, I follow it up with, "Ok.. and this makes you feel..." and then she says exactly. As in if she has a problem, I think I can see it from multiple angles, and this creates trust. My style also includes to just analyze things so I usually ask how does it make her feel and so on. So I think I have failed in a way, because I think I'm making things too comfortable in a way where I would sort of... give personal advice and make some effort to make sense. So why is this a problem? It isn't. But I think it might lead to a situation where there's too much trust. So I've gotten to know this person pretty good, so I think I'm sometimes like a shrink or something. Not that I've been presented with personal problems or anything like that, but even the way I ... OK if I share information, I make sure that it is understood, so I give examples, personal examples on top of that and then make it into context and let them work it out by asking few questions. Then they're like this and that, but I don't say right or wrong. I just lead them or just ask more questions. This kind of thing would seem like mentoring, and that can be a very personal relationship. Then add personal discussion as well, so not just strictly professional. So I don't know, how should I handle the situation if I think it's getting too... sort of personal? And I know you guys are thinking in a romantic way, but that's not what I mean. But she is exposing her mind a lot to me and notice, I do not do the same back. I just lead, ask questions, I never give a clear answer, just direction and things to think about. So I think that kind of a connection can become too close, because it's like freedom comes with responsibilities. I don't want to be responsible for screwing up someones head or making it too personal. I would be comfortable thinking we're friends, but I wouldn't usually go into someones head like this even with my current friends so I think there's some danger there.

    NOT that I'd abuse that information, but that what if she becomes dependent on my advices? That would be akward. Because it's a situation where you know, she can tell me everything or what's on her mind, and I'll listen and give her my perspective on it. You see what I mean? Most couples don't even do that, it's difficult to explain really, but the way I see it is that I'm doing psychoanalysis without the mental problem part. How do I know when to not say anything? At this point it woudl be rude to "I wont' comment on that" or "I feel uncomfortable talking about this", unless it gets super personal. How do I know I have a responsibility to what I say and when I shouldn't give an advice?
    In da butt.
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    OK I think I can explain it better. I often would say "that's interesting" and just stare for few seconds while .... and then kind of deconstructing it. I like to take discussions and things into meta level, so I do that. I try to get to the bottom of it and explain out loud what I'm thinking, so it seems logical. As in "It's interesting that you'd say that.... the other day you mentioned briefly about blaablaablaa so I think this bothers you. Does this bother you? You've mentioned it on different occasions, have you noticed? It's OK though.... What do I think about it? Well what do you think about it? I think you want to talk about it but you just wanted to test the ice first if it's OK... of course it's OK, go on, how does it make you feel?". So the way I see it, I'm becoming like a trusted shrink here, and I would betray her because at some point it's obvious I'm just me. Notice, we haven't discussed mental problems . But the way I talk is kind of trust enabling, and that's betraying in a way because I'm not an authority, I'm not in the position to be trusted... like I'm not a shrink. That kind of stuff should be between a person and their shrink, not between them and myself. THAT is the problem. And htat's the dependency thing I said earlier.

    Betrayal also in a way that I might be manipulative in a way because I might go "and this makes you feel uncertain about blahblah and insecure because blahblah"... because I think I could say jus tabout anything and actually convince in subtle ways how to feel about things. You get it? Uhm, difficult to explain, but it's... there's responsibility, I don't really know what goes on in the heads of other people, but I can usually tell them what goes on and they might think it's exactly what was going on in their heads. I mean I find it rather easy to make people misinterpret themselves.
    In da butt.
    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
    THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
    "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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    • #3
      Edit: Kill her.

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      • #4
        It's a her.

        Get her fired.
        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Wezil, nope. I need her information plus she's good at what she does. Plus, she hasn't done anything wrong .

          It's not her problem, it's a problem of... OK!!! I SAY IT!

          It's a problem of me being afraid that I might try to manipulate her just because I can. Comprende? IT's me, the problem is me, I'm not sure if I'm being honest to myself as in if I want to manipulate people or not. Also, she's a good professional and a good person, I like her as well, so I don't want to operate her thoughts too much.
          In da butt.
          "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
          "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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          • #6
            bone her hard. its yours for the taking Pekka!

            YOU ARE THE SUPERCITIZEN!! YOU ARE PEKKA! TAKE HER AND MAKE HER YOURS!!

            and this definitaly calls for the traditional
            Order of the Fly

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            • #7
              Bone? No My morality would be against that, not only because she's not in the free market but also because we're co-workers.

              So. But I am afraid I might be tempted to install some thought patterns that aren't "natural". It sounds kind of screwed up but hey, I mean yes. I don't mean manchurian candidate stuff

              I mean that I might convince her to look at the situation like I do. OK? I might subtly make it seem like the way I suggest to look at the situation is a good way. My way of looking at things is usually unorthodox so.. it's not necessarily good because it's always out of context then, I mean she's not me, so I think because these tought patterns aren't then connected to everything else I think... as in what they're based on... it could be a problem, and that's what I mean by unnatural. Because if you look at it from my POV, you might see problems everywhere. Outside the box type of problems. But you have to have a certain attitude and brain to deal with it. It's not good for most, because you're always in a debate with yourself then. That's something I might convince her to do, because I'd ask "how does that make you feel?" and OK go a bit further then "so you feel uncertain about it. Is this because of the lack of information you have, lack of knowledge, the uncertain environment and the unpredictability of others or do you know?" that always leads into "Maybe it's a questionf who you are. Do you knwo yourself? If you're uncertain but can't explain it, I mean how does that feeling come about, does feeling uncertain feel akward or uncomfortable, does it make you feel a bit afraid, and if so, are these all actually one feeling you've just named differently? The feelign is the same,, could you say you feel afraid instead? How do you know what you really feel then? How do you even know your feelings are real?"

              YOu knwo that kind of ****, and at the end she doesn't know who she is. That's what I mean with responsibility. It's my way of looking at things, but I go to the thought jungle and come back safe, because I've already distanced myself from normalcy.
              Last edited by Pekka; November 24, 2007, 19:09.
              In da butt.
              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pekka
                Wezil, nope. I need her information plus she's good at what she does. Plus, she hasn't done anything wrong .
                But she's clearly not worth the mental anguish she is causing you.

                Actually, the more I think on it the more I'm inclined to go with Riesstiu's suggestion. Don't kill her though. That would be too personal and as I understand it, getting too personal is part of the problem.

                Have her killed.
                "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  Wezil, no anguish. I like talking to her. The problem is that I might make her thoughts unnatural.
                  In da butt.
                  "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                  THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                  "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                  • #10
                    OMG Pekka i cannot believe this. you have a chance to mold this girl to do whatever you want, bone her, use her, whatever you want.

                    this is not the Pekka i have come to know
                    Order of the Fly

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                    • #11
                      Pekka is trying to say that he is in luv

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                      • #12
                        I couldn't do that because I respect this person.

                        OK here's an example of a possible difficult problem. Let's say I sense some problems and I ask what's the matter and something happened in her personal life. "My boyfriend.." OK. I think I have a considerable responsibility, becuase I can make it both ways. I can either take her side or try to convince on some meta level that he's a good guy and this will work out at the end. First of all, all I don't know the guy, so I might be talking on his favour OR I could talk against him and he's actually a good guy. I wouldn't of course say "you need to find someone else" or "it'll be ok", but no matter what I'd say, it would give her an idea that she woudl think is her own belief or thought on how to view this istuation and that affects the personal life of two people.

                        I don't want that kind of responsibility. It would be extremely unethical IMO. But how would I handle that situation? By saying shut up? This is one example of a difficult istuation where my opinion might play a part in persona life that is not mine.
                        In da butt.
                        "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                        THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                        "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                        • #13
                          ...I'd ask "how does that make you feel?"


                          Just to keep you on the ground buddy, you're not the next dr. Phil/Lukasenko because of this.

                          That's a trivial technique to get people to say more. You can either:

                          1) ask how they feel about what they just said
                          2) repeat the last few words they said and add a questionmark

                          I think it was explained in some movie

                          But it is also the basis of computer programs that "talk back" to people and can seem weirdly "alive". I wrote one such program a long time ago and it used to impress kids.

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                          • #14


                            ELIZA is a computer program by Joseph Weizenbaum, designed in 1966, which parodied a Rogerian therapist, largely by rephrasing many of the patient's statements as questions and posing them to the patient. Thus, for example, the response to "My head hurts" might be "Why do you say your head hurts?" The response to "My mother hates me" might be "Who else in your family hates you?"

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                            • #15
                              No **** Vetlegion, it's obvious you didn't read all my posts in this thread. Shame on you VetLegion, shame on you.
                              In da butt.
                              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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