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Note, the original Luddites didnt refrain from using any technology, AFAIK, they DID attack technologies that were a direct economic threat to themselves.
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"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber -
Pretty sure that's exactly their point.Originally posted by Caligastia
If everyone suddenly cut back their waste to nil, these bums would have to get a job.The undeserving maintain power by promoting hysteria.Comment
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and lots of people who would never dumpster dive, and arent against all participation in modern society are involved in the free cycle movement. Thats a bunch of websites/yahoogroups where you post stuff you want to give away, and email for stuff you want. Makes perfect sense to me, and we've both given and received on it. Why not keep stuff out of the trash stream, if you can. Though obviously someone sensible has to weigh the transaction costs of doing the freecycle/Craigslist thing versus the environmental impact."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Unfortunately the shelf life is a necessary precaution - you have to draw a line somewhere otherwise you cannot guarantee safety. As long as the length of time is effectively proven then, alas, this is going to be the case. It is a shame though that the foodstuff wasted can't be used for other purposes such as fertiliser or animal feed where applicable.Originally posted by MOBIUS
Man, the ignorance displayed on this thread is staggering just for the sake of a couple of cheap laughs…
General Ludd.
What is at issue here is the sheer criminal waste of our throwaway society…
I remember reading about this a while back and essentially we are not talking about rooting around some disgusting bin full of soiled nappies and rotting produce, but usually going behind the Supermarkets to get the stuff that has literally hit the sell by date and is therefore legally not allowed to be sold.
This equates to a vast amount of wastage daily from every supermarket up and down the land that would otherwise be consigned to landfill, which is space we are running out of as well as downright wrong.
Also, IIRC some of these supermarkets actually make it easy for these people to take the food because they know that the less is there to be taken to the landfill, the less they have to pay for dumping it!
We can’t afford to live in a throwaway society anymore – and the sooner people wake up and realise, the better!Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
It is a shame though that the foodstuff wasted can't be used for other purposes such as fertiliser or animal feed where applicable.
Supermarket run compost bins! I like that, but I guess its too costly, in terms of seperating the right stuff, turning it, etc.
BTW am I an eevil morally pretentious Luddite cause Ive started a compost bin this year?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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My opinion: whatever floats your boat, I guess. Not for me, though. I'd be all for more recycling (we have recycling in my town, but IMO it's rather limited).VINCENT
So you decided to be a bum?
JULES
I'll just be Jules, Vincent -- no more, no less.
VINCENT
No Jules, you're gonna be like those pieces of **** out there who beg for change. They walk around like a bunch of ****in' zombies,they sleep in garbage bins, they eat what I throw away, and dogs piss on 'em. They got a word for 'em, they're called bums. And without a job, residence, or legal tender, that's what you're gonna be -- a ****in' bum!
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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I wonder if theres a different emotional response to recycling versus reuse, though?Originally posted by Arrian
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My opinion: whatever floats your boat, I guess. Not for me, though. I'd be all for more recycling (we have recycling in my town, but IMO it's rather limited).
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I mean taking your beer bottle, trucking it to a plant where its ground up, made into glass for a new beer bottle, is all techie, capital intensive, and cool. But say, taking your beer bottle and using it as a candle holder or something, thats all hippie dippy arsty-crafty girly, right? Or even washing it out to use for your homebrew?
Recycling is good, but its usually more energy and other resource intensive then reuse.
Again, Im not talking dumpster diving (though Id also point out thats not so unusual in the 3rd world - we are offended cause these dudes are doing this to make a point of some kind, or are pretending to be free from modern civ while living off of it - It would be nice if wed all be so disgusted to do something about the folks who do it less voluntarily, cause its their best option) Im talking more freecycle and all that."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Actually, have you ever tested those sell by dates at all?Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Unfortunately the shelf life is a necessary precaution - you have to draw a line somewhere otherwise you cannot guarantee safety. As long as the length of time is effectively proven then, alas, this is going to be the case. It is a shame though that the foodstuff wasted can't be used for other purposes such as fertiliser or animal feed where applicable.
You know, those times when you need some milk but the only milk in the house is past its sell by. What are you going to do, just chuck it out even though you want milk in your tea and can't be arsed going down the shop to get some more?
OR - and here's the controversial part - simply sniff it to see if it's off and use accordingly...!? SHOCK HORROR!
I think my record so far with milk is about five days past sell by (unless it is Lidl milk which goes off on the exact day, why is that?
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What about fruit and veg? Are you telling me you are going to chuck it even if it looks perfectly healthy!!???
The list goes on - are you saying we should trust a number just because some shop says so? Or shouldn't we just trust our senses - if it smells off, then it's off...! Good enough for me!
I throw out enough food (sadly!) from the latter method - imagine how bad it would be if I went by the dates. Do you not think that this might be a ploy by the supermarkets to get you to buy more stuff?
Our entire society is based on waste, and most of us still don't realise that the human race as a whole can no longer continue in this manner...Comment
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I am 100% in agreement in LotM here...Originally posted by lord of the mark
I wonder if theres a different emotional response to recycling versus reuse, though?
I mean taking your beer bottle, trucking it to a plant where its ground up, made into glass for a new beer bottle, is all techie, capital intensive, and cool. But say, taking your beer bottle and using it as a candle holder or something, thats all hippie dippy arsty-crafty girly, right? Or even washing it out to use for your homebrew?
Recycling is good, but its usually more energy and other resource intensive then reuse.
Again, Im not talking dumpster diving (though Id also point out thats not so unusual in the 3rd world - we are offended cause these dudes are doing this to make a point of some kind, or are pretending to be free from modern civ while living off of it - It would be nice if wed all be so disgusted to do something about the folks who do it less voluntarily, cause its their best option) Im talking more freecycle and all that.
The mantra is Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.
Recycling should be THE LAST RESORT - not the first!
If you are recycling, you have still lost half of the battle when it comes to waste...
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Originally posted by MOBIUS
I am 100% in agreement in LotM here...
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Working Less / Voluntary Joblessness
How much of our lives do we sacrifice to pay bills and buy more stuff? For most of us, work means sacrificing our freedom to take orders from someone else, stress, boredom, monotony, and in many cases risks to our physical and psychological well-being.
Once we realize that it's not a few bad products or a few egregious companies responsible for the social and ecological abuses in our world but rather the entire system we are working in, we begin to realize that, as workers, we are cogs in a machine of violence, death, exploitation, and destruction. Is the retail clerk who rings up a cut of veal any less responsible for the cruelty of factory farming than the farm worker? What about the ad designer who finds ways to make the product palatable? How about the accountant who does the grocery’s books and allows it to stay in business? Or the worker in the factory that manufacturers refrigerator cases? And, of course, the high level managers of the corporations bear the greatest responsibility of all for they make the decisions which causes the destruction and waste. You don't have to own stock in a corporation or own a factory or chemical plant to be held to blame.Comment
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They're like Luddites of the modern era...Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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I guess I'm sorta that way. No dumpster diving, though eating older food being thrown out actually seems like a decent idea when it's still good. I "cost" roughly $4k a year total, most of that a room, food, and electricity.
I hate stuff. Most of the time I hate new stuff even more. Especially clothes. Clothes need to be well-worn before they are comfortable. My newest pair of shoes are a decade old now. All my favorite clothes are just about as old. (I keep getting new clothes as gifts though... I hate "material" gifts. It's "stuff" yo udidn't choose and that makes you feel guilty if you give it away.
) I try to take good care of what I have, so while you can tell it's not new, it's still in good shape.
Everything I own can be fit in a car trunk, with room to spare.
The only new things that need to be bought are computer components. Since old computers just can't do the job. I pass on my old computer components to those who only need outdated functionality. (Like my parents.) I'd prefer finding some habitable land with a decent climate away from people, but these days most anywhere with a decent climate is really pushing it on the "habitable" or "away", if not both. I could do without the computer then. As is, the computer is just my santuary amidst the population.Comment
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Luddites had jobs.Originally posted by Provost Harrison
They're like Luddites of the modern era...I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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By 2030 they wont't.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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