Does Death Penalty Save Lives? A New Debate

[Proteus_MST]

Would definitely a sensible step in times like now, when prisons are overcrowded

Of course you will also have to apply it retroactively to all the prisoners which you have now in prison, so that you can get rid of them as well.

[MOBIUS]

Yes, that's only fair.

Great, we've cut prison overcrowding at a stroke. In fact, who needs prisons at all with our new all-encompassing dp...

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
I don't see why we can't have the dp for everything.

Shoplifting? dp!

No more crime.

Nope. Doesn't work. They tried that in Star Trek. Picard had to teach a few people a lesson.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by dannubis


Still, no documents that have shown they actually did it ?

A sentence in jail, yes... DP unless you are 100 % sure, no.

Even wikipedia has had to retreat from the fiction that they were innocent.

[Robert]

that still doesn't deal with the obvious problem of executing innocents, which we know, for sure, we've done and will continue to do.

I can't see why a life in jail innocently is worse then deadt penalty.
Every penalty you give to an innocent one is too much.

Having said that, the number of innocents killed by people who didn't got a deadt penalty is certainly higher then the number of innocents killed by deadt penalty in civilized countries.

If the USA executes innocents, then there's a problem in the USA with their law system, not with their death penalty.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by CyberShy
If the USA executes innocents, then there's a problem in the USA with their law system, not with their death penalty.

Yeah, it's run by people.

[BeBMan]

Where's Skynet when you need it

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by CyberShy

Having said that, the number of innocents killed by people who didn't got a deadt penalty is certainly higher then the number of innocents killed by deadt penalty in civilized countries.

Please, think a bit.

If the USA executes innocents, then there's a problem in the USA with their law system, not with their death penalty.

To be fair, the system in the US itself is not that bad, the problem is that however good a system is, it will produce some judicial errors. Thus, one might not have a problem with the idea of murderers deserving death per se, but at the same time acknowledge that it is a desaster to have death penalty.
And a main difference with life-in-jail sentences is that once a person is executed, there's not good way to correct the error. That is also why it needs so long in the US from conviction to execution - to allow for new evidence, appeals, etc. But that has the downsides of being very cost intensive and pretty devastating having people on death row for decades, for the criminal and the victim's family who want the thing being over (it is over, when the guy gets his sentence and rots in jail, it may be over when he's executed, but it's not over if you're still waiting for the day of his execution).
Also, it seems (i don't know enough) that sometimes prisoners are for years in death row, but never knowing whether they will be killed the other day...

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Actually no, I hadn't heard of the case before. After a quick google search, I do have one question though. Was Jesse an accomplice to Rhodes (even if he didn't handle the gun) or was he an innocent bystander?

Nothing of this. It seems Rhose, Tafero, Tafero's wife and their children broke into a car, sleeping there. Then the owners came and were shot.
Now, Rhodes testified against Tafero and his wife, who received death sentences. The sentence of of the woman was changed into life. Rhodes later withdrew his testimony several times, the other two claimed that Rhodes was the one who shot and that they never intended that outcome.
Tafero's wife is now free, after a retrial.
So it seems, we do not exactly know what happened, since there was no good evidence other than the testimony of a very involved person. A very bad basis for an execution.

Oh, and Old Sparky misfunctioned at Tafero's exectution, who had large flames coming out of his head.

[DirtyMartini]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by CyberShy
I can't see why a life in jail innocently is worse then deadt penalty.

If they're eventually exhonerated, they can be released from prison. You can't even partially reverse dead.

[DinoDoc]

@ Wernazuma III: After your description, Jesse doesn't seem all that innocent. Accomplices bear the burden of the results of the crimes they participate in just as much as the main actors IMO.

Oh, and Old Sparky misfunctioned at Tafero's exectution, who had large flames coming out of his head.

Are we discussing the pros and cons of the various meathods of execution because if not I don't really care how high the flames were.

[SlowwHand]

I do. The ceiling could catch fire.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Oh, and Old Sparky misfunctioned at Tafero's exectution, who had large flames coming out of his head.

Are we discussing the pros and cons of the various meathods of execution because if not I don't really care how high the flames were.

Seriously, I agree. I am completely against the death penalty, but I don't give one iota of a **** how the death penalty is carried out when it happens. They're dead.

[Proteus_MST]

You should.

If it wouldn´t matter how they come to death,
we should reintroduce impaling and crucifixation as methods of execution

With these methods of execution the process of dying takes several days.
And it is much cheaper than the "modern" methods of execution used today, you just need some rope (or nails) and wood

[Lorizael]

*shrug* okay. I don't care. Of course, such methods could be considered cruel and unusual.