The new Anti-Semitism

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Hey, get your standards straight.

If someone makes a thread to debate something, it seems to me that people like Zoid should give the people who read the article on another site, then copied it here and edited it for pleasant reading (= me), the courtesy of a response that is more than: "Yadda Yadda, Yadda, Here you go complaining again, silly joos" like Zoid did. He also used much of the same words.

I did not feel Zoid's response was as serious as Arrian's or Aeson's, and responded in a similar non-serious manner (+ trolling).

I hope you form your opinion based on my more serious responses.

You're right that my response wasn't as serious as it could have been (and would have been only 5 years ago) but I don't see anything in this article that hasn't been discussed to death already here and everywhere else. It's old news...

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not a libertarian. It's perfectly possible to be liberal, or socialist, or capitalist, or religious and also be internationalist.

Are you sure that you aren't?
Have I lived in a lie?

I think that nationalism is the natural evolvement of liberal thought.

I have a few articles (that I'm too lazy to find right now) that claim a similar point - that nationalism was enabled by liberalism (just like capitalism).

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov Hey, get your standards straight.

Umm, ok.

[SIZE=1]I hope you form your opinion based on my more serious responses.

Your other responses seemed more rational. That's why the use of that heavy handed manifesto quote got my attention.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Zoid
You're right that my response wasn't as serious as it could have been (and would have been only 5 years ago) but I don't see anything in this article that hasn't been discussed to death already here and everywhere else. It's old news...

I agree.
But am I still free to troll you just for that reason.

Had you been a new guy, I would have addressed you differently.


And I think that blaming joos for being "toosensitive" over people trying to convince other people to cancel their state, is a bit unfair.

Had someone trumpeted the idea of cancelling your state, you'd get all defensive too.

[Sirotnikov]

Your other responses seemed more rational.

very rational.
that's me.

/me ducks and covers

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

I agree.
But am I still free to troll you just for that reason.

Yeah, well...

Had you been a new guy, I would have addressed you differently.

And you did, way back when

And I think that blaming joos for being "toosensitive" over people trying to convince other people to cancel their state, is a bit unfair.

Had someone trumpeted the idea of cancelling your state, you'd get all defensive too.

True, but the difference between Sweden and Israel is quite great creation wise...

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Zoid
I just think it's amazing that after 59 years of opressing palestinians it's the jews that we should feel sorry for...

You can be sorry for both.
I believe in you. Your heart is wide enough.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

I'll make it clear that I'm refering to the continued existance, rather than the establishment.

I'll also note that the article itself specifically mentions opinions that call for the cessation of the existance of Israel (in favor of a bi-national state, or what not), as opposed to people who think Israel was not the best solution.

Yet the line of discussion started with Arrian saying, "Questioning the legitimacy of the state of Israel =! anti-semitism." That "questioning" clearly being in context of the foundation, not continued existence.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Had someone trumpeted the idea of cancelling your state, you'd get all defensive too.

I wouldn't be too defensive about it as long as we were getting something decent in it's stead. The US government could use a rather massive makeover at this point.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
To bring historic examples of an unrelated ethnic group creating a state where another ethnic group once been - Japan is a good example. An influx of immigrants from China / Korea, that totally destroyed the original inhabitants.

A trivia point unrelated to the discussion but AFAIR the Japanese of today are 30%-ish pre-invasion in their genetic makeup, so not exactly totaly destroyed.

[Riesstiu IV]

I made it into a sig!

I am now infamous.

[Krill]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
I made it into a sig!

I am now infamous.

Damnit, how it Riesstiu make it into a sig before me?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
I made it into a sig!

I am now infamous.

sadly, very little people read my posts

Yet the line of discussion started with Arrian saying, "Questioning the legitimacy of the state of Israel =! anti-semitism." That "questioning" clearly being in context of the foundation, not continued existence.

It sorta got out of hand.

He spoke of it's foundation conditions as an important reason for it to stop it's existance.

If someone thinks it was wrong to be set up, but he doesn't want to destroy it now, then I won't argue (in this thread )

I wouldn't be too defensive about it as long as we were getting something decent in it's stead.

Well a state is not like a house.

"Let's destroy this one. We'll give a new one, free, right there!!"

Some people get emotionally attached to their houses

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by Krill

Damnit, how it Riesstiu make it into a sig before me?

I'm sorry. I've decided to add your post to my sig if it makes you feel better.

[Sirotnikov]

Quick! Krill, make something I said into your signature and we'll have a complete circle!