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Originally posted by Elok
So China wasn't legitimately communist before? Or is it historically inevitable that certain societies yo-yo back and forth?
Since China had a government controlling the means of production, by definition they were socialist before and not communist. But Kid no doubt has his own wacky definitions that have little or nothing to do with Marx.
Originally posted by Elok
So China wasn't legitimately communist before?
You could say it's illegitimate, but that's not the point. The point is just that it did not evolve out of a failed capitalist system so it's not the kind that I'm refering to.
Or is it historically inevitable that certain societies yo-yo back and forth?
I don't think it's inevitable but a possibility.
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Originally posted by Darius871
Since China had a government controlling the means of production, by definition they were socialist before and not communist. But Kid no doubt has his own wacky definitions that have little or nothing to do with Marx.
That's an absurd view. Communism is society taking control of the means of production from the capitalists. That's not what happen in China. That said, as you can see I didn't disagree that China was a communist society, because it doesn't matter. I'm talking about something different.
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I hate you all. You took what could have been an amusing thread and turned it into a debate with Kid. Couldn't you at least tried to channel che if you were dieing for yet another Cap/Com debate?
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
I hate you all. You took what could have been an amusing thread and turned it into a debate with Kid. Couldn't you at least tried to channel che if you were dieing for yet another Cap/Com debate?
That is like the mouse flipping the cat the bird.
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Are you sure this article isn't about the NDP?
Don't be silly. The NDP would give anything for their numbers.
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Originally posted by Darius871
Why don't you spare us and actually read some Marx before pretending to know what you're talking about.
I might as well define Communism as a purple-monkey-dishwasher and demand that you refute arguments I make based on that definition.
What would be the problem with that definition?
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Originally posted by Kidicious
No way bud. Economic equality was a socialist idea way before there were social democrats. All of those things can not be achieved through the market. Only government involvement can achieve them. That's communism.
Social Democracy is a form that capitalism developed, by incorporating some ideas of socialists, to mitigate some of its worst effects and to help it survive.
Communism is not state intervention. Factamundo.
Why do you say that? I don't think class-consciousness is as important as democratic minded citizens.
If you don't understand ze role of ze verking klass as ze producers of vealth in society, you vill not understend vhy zey alone have ze power to change ze mode of production. [\uncle karl]
Originally posted by Darius871
Could any real communists please chime in against this imposter?
I'm not a communist, but I'm more of a Marxist than our misguided friend here.
Last edited by Cort Haus; November 11, 2007, 19:33.
Originally posted by Cort Haus
Social Democracy is a form that capitalism developed, by incorporating the ideas of socialists, to mitigate some of its worst effects and to help it survive.
Communism is not state intervention. Factamundo.
You're right that confusing Socialism and Communism is something to avoid. So is confusing Capitalism and Democracy.
Capitalism didn't develop Social Democracy. (Unless it's a product you can buy at Wal-Mart or something...) Democracies have adopted Social reforms to offset Capitalism's shortcomings.
Originally posted by Aeson
Capitalism didn't develop Social Democracy. (Unless it's a product you can buy at Wal-Mart or something...)
I think Amazon do it, though.
Democracies have adopted Social reforms to offset Capitalism's shortcomings.
Well, that's another way of putting it. I would argue that at the time of the initial reforms, there was little difference between the capitalist class and the governing class. Capitalism (to personify it) feared social instability.
Originally posted by DinoDoc
I hate you all. You took what could have been an amusing thread and turned it into a debate with Kid. Couldn't you at least tried to channel che if you were dieing for yet another Cap/Com debate?
Kid doesn't debate, he argues. If you want to debate, go troll LOTM.
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