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Well, ok. Let's look at names not on the list.
France. Now what have you got to say? Uh huh. Just as I thought.
France. Now what have you got to say? Uh huh. Just as I thought.
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After a quick scan: Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. Obviously not Western democracies in the strict sense of the word, but I think they serve as decent counterexamples to your trend.
edit: In fact, that could imply a very different trend especially since Russia doesn't appear to be on that list.Comment
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I don't think I was talking about a "trend". Just current status.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
After a quick scan: Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. Obviously not Western democracies in the strict sense of the word, but I think they serve as decent counterexamples to your trend.
edit: In fact, that could imply a very different trend.
edit: re - Korea:
- wikiThere has been an unofficial moratorium on executions since President Kim Dae-jung took office in February 1998"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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True, but they execute far fewer people than you might think and the general culture is very different form the west. They were under strong US influence in the past as well...Originally posted by Kuciwalker
After a quick scan: Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. Obviously not Western democracies in the strict sense of the word, but I think they serve as decent counterexamples to your trend.
And in any case the list of counterexamples of successful democracies is much, much longer...Last edited by Heraclitus; November 10, 2007, 15:41.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
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I would think it obvious that any rational person would hope the death penalty wouldn't have a need.
Unfortuantely, there is a need.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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In some places there is a need.
Most Executions carried out in 2006
China (at least 1,010 but sources suggest the real tally is between 7,500 and 8,000)[10]
Iran (177)
Pakistan (82)
Iraq (at least 65)
Sudan (at least 65)
United States (53)"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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Originally posted by Heraclitus
True, but they execute far fewer people than you might think and the general culture is very different form the west.
Given Wezil's statistics, I doubt they execute many fewer per capita than we do.
And in any case the list of counterexamples of successful democracies is much, much longer...
All the counterexample countries are European (or UK colonies). Anyway, "most democracies don't it" isn't all that strong an argument against the death penalty.Comment
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I have no intention of being trolled into a debate of the pros and cons of the death penalty. Been there, done that.
I'm just congratulating NJ on moving forward.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Given Wezil's statistics, I doubt they execute many fewer per capita than we do.
Yes, but wezil's statistics aren't from successful democracies to which I was referring to...
That's more or less the last I'm going to say, I agree with wezil on continuing such debates.
PS I forgot the current administration considers Iraq one...Last edited by Heraclitus; November 10, 2007, 16:49.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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and Afghanistan. Also on the list of course.Originally posted by Heraclitus
PS I forgot the current administration considers Iraq one..."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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