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  • I should pay more tax, says US billionaire Warren Buffett

    The United States' second-richest man has delivered a blunt message to the Bush administration: he wants to pay more tax.

    Warren Buffett, the famous investor known as the "Sage of Omaha", has complained that he pays a lower rate of tax than any of his staff - including his receptionist. Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52bn (£25bn), said: "The taxation system has tilted towards the rich and away from the middle class in the last 10 years. It's dramatic; I don't think it's appreciated and I think it should be addressed."

    During an interview with NBC television, Mr Buffett brandished an informal survey of 15 of his 18 office staff at his Berkshire Hathaway empire. The billionaire said he was paying 17.7% payroll and income tax, compared with an average in the office of 32.9%.
    "There wasn't anyone in the office, from the receptionist up, who paid as low a tax rate and I have no tax planning; I don't have an accountant or use tax shelters. I just follow what the US Congress tells me to do," he said.

    Mr Buffett also took a pot shot at hedge fund managers. He said: "Hedge fund operators have spent a record amount lobbying in the last few months - they give money to the political campaigns. Who represents the cleaning lady?"

    His intervention comes amid an increasingly rancorous debate on Capitol Hill about tax. Shortly after taking office, President Bush pushed through $2 trillion in temporary tax cuts, including sharp reductions for high-earners. These expire at the end of 2010 and the White House wants to renew them.

    A leading Democrat, the Harlem congressman Charlie Rangel, published alternative plans this week that would impose a 4% surcharge on people earning more than $200,000 a year, while delivering tax relief to 90 million working families.

    Republicans say the net effect would be a $2 trillion tax increase that would hurt small businesses and farmers. Meanwhile, Mr Buffett's remarks drew a robust response from the US Chamber of Commerce, which said the top 1% of US earners accounted for 39% of tax revenue - and the highest earning 25% of the population delivered 86% of the tax-take.

    The chamber's chief economist, Martin Regalia, said: "Mr Buffett has made an awful lot of money and if he wants to pay more taxes, I think that's fine. But I think he should get his facts straight."

    He added: "There's no question in my mind: if you were to impose [the Democrats'] tax increases, you would see the US go into a recession."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2202069,00.html

    He does know that he can do that already, right? How many of you think you should be taxed more?
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  • #2
    I believe he means that he should be forced to pay more in taxes. Not sure if he's paying more or he isn't.
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    • #3
      That's not what he said though. He's saying that he should pay more tax and I'm saying that optionis available to him right now and he seems to avoid taking it.
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      • #4
        You obviously know what he means, so stop being silly .

        And how do you know he hasn't paid extra?
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        • #5
          Remember Zkribbler's First Rule of Taxation: Tax rates aren't set by tax rates but by spending rates. For every dollar that goes out, one must come in.

          Rather than paying for Bush's explosion of government spending by increasing income taxes, capital gains taxes, estate taxes and/or corporate taxes, Bush is passing the requirement onto our grandchildren....it's the grandchildren tax! And Bush is that largest increaser of taxes in this history of humanity.

          So who would I rather tax, Buffet or out grandchilden? Hmm, let me ponder that one for awhile.

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          • #6
            During an interview with NBC television, Mr Buffett brandished an informal survey of 15 of his 18 office staff at his Berkshire Hathaway empire. The billionaire said he was paying 17.7% payroll and income tax, compared with an average in the office of 32.9%.
            "There wasn't anyone in the office, from the receptionist up, who paid as low a tax rate and I have no tax planning; I don't have an accountant or use tax shelters. I just follow what the US Congress tells me to do," he said.
            Setting aside the fact that I'm generally on his side here, Mr. Buffett could "fix" this situation by paying himself what his receptionist currently makes, and paying her what he currently makes...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              And how do you know he hasn't paid extra?
              He said that he hasn't and seemingly has a burning desire to. I'm merely pointing out that he can pay more taxes right now if he so chooses.

              Originally posted by Zkribbler
              So who would I rather tax, Buffet or out grandchilden?
              That's not the question, I asked. Do you think that you should be taxed more? Hell Massachusetts even adds a step to make it even easier to pay more taxes but hardly anyone there takes it. So do you want to pay more taxes?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arrian
                Setting aside the fact that I'm generally on his side here, Mr. Buffett could "fix" this situation by paying himself what his receptionist currently makes, and paying her what he currently makes...
                Or he could just avoid taking deductions? That'd shoot what he pays right up there.
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                • #9
                  Republicans say the net effect would be a $2 trillion tax increase that would hurt small businesses and farmers. Meanwhile, Mr Buffett's remarks drew a robust response from the US Chamber of Commerce, which said the top 1% of US earners accounted for 39% of tax revenue - and the highest earning 25% of the population delivered 86% of the tax-take.


                  This is not a rebuttal of his point.

                  Re: the silly conversation above: Stop dodging the point. Buffet raised a valid issue, and his position increases its credibility.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                    Re: the silly conversation above: Stop dodging the point. Buffet raised a valid issue, and his position increases its credibility.
                    I think DD's point is that there's no reason for the government to get involved when citizens are perfectly capable of raising the tax rate all by themselves.
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                    • #11
                      Which is silly, because Buffet is saying they should be obligated to pay more tax.

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                      • #12
                        I agree. Most rich people are not going to be so philanthropic in attitude as Buffet is.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                          Which is silly, because Buffet is saying they should be obligated to pay more tax.
                          My response to Imran which you seem to have missed: That's not what he said though. He's saying that he should pay more tax and I'm saying that optionis available to him right now and he seems to avoid taking it.
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                          • #14
                            Sure, if you want, this thread can certainly be about quibbling over Buffet's words.
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                            • #15
                              This is not a rebuttal of his point.
                              Actually it is. Very bad things would happen to the rights of poor people if the rich basically own the government. The participation of the poor in the government through taxation is very important, it is basically their stake. If you think the rich don't care about the poor now (what they think actually), just wait until Buffet gets his way.

                              I agree. Most rich people are not going to be so philanthropic in attitude as Buffet is.
                              Actually, most rich people give significant amounts of money to charities.
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