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    Liberals would consider repealing GST cuts: Dion

    The federal Liberals would consider rescinding the Conservative government's GST cuts if they come into power in the next election, Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion said on Wednesday.

    Dion told reporters he would open a debate on the idea during an election campaign.

    When asked by reporters whether he would reverse the tax cuts, Dion responded: "We will consider that."

    Dion made the comments a day after Finance Minister Jim Flaherty unveiled a mini-budget that outlined $60 billion in cuts to personal and corporate taxes as well as a one percentage point cut to the GST.

    Dion said the money from the two per cent cut to the GST — which includes a one percentage point cut implemented in 2006 — could have been spent in other areas or put into different types of tax cuts.

    "That [the proposed GST cut] means $6 billion, $7 billion every year, on an ill-advised choice," Dion said.

    "We will not be alone. We know that a lot of people will say it was the wrong decision for Canada and when the next election will come we'll say to Canadians what we'll do."

    Hours later, the Liberals abstained from voting on the mini-budget in the House of Commons, ensuring its passage.

    The vote was considered a confidence motion that would have triggered an election had it been defeated. Instead, it passed 127 to 76 in the House of Commons. The Liberals remained in their seats while both the Bloc Québécois and NDP voted against it.

    Dion said that while he opposes plans for the additional GST cut, he and the Liberals did not bring the government down over the mini-budget because they feel Canadians do not want another election.

    Earlier, during question period, as Dion accused Prime Minister Stephen Harper of breaking a number of promises, Harper referred to Dion as the "king of abstention" — a reference to the Liberals' decision to abstain on the speech from the throne and now the mini-budget.

    He said Dion on Monday had "drawn a line in the sandbox, the line was that he would never tolerate an increase in the GST, and today's he's gonna let one pass.

    "Imagine lectures from a guy like that."


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  • #2
    Dion is so screwed.
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    • #3
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      • #4
        I wanted to throw something at my TV when they showed Dion saying this.

        How moronic can he be?
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        • #5
          Do Canadian parties typically campaign on raising taxes?
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          • #6
            What's really funny, DD, is that the Tories (Harper's party, sort of) introduced the GST and the Liberals (Dion's party, fully) crucified them for it.

            A Liberal PM (Chretien) won majorities partially due to management of this issue. The Liberal 'Red Book' was important in at least 2 elections that led to Liberal majorities. It mandated eliminating the GST. One of the most memorable Chretien quotes is 'axe da tax'. It is all the more memorable for the total lack of action on the issue despite 3 consecutive majority governments (he could have done just about anything he wanted, like sign Kyoto, pass it through Parliament, and do nothing about it; a theme?).

            Dion was recruited into federal politics by Chretien. I fully excpect the Tories to make the connections in the next election. That is if they need the additional ammo to swing the sword if the patriot does not plunge the knife forcefully enough on himself in political seppuku by campaigning to raise taxes.

            In short, no, Canadian parties do not typically campaign on raising taxes. However, Liberals have made many governments based on the opposite, lower or eliminate a proposed or new tax, and then done precisely nothing or the exact opposite of what they campaigned on. This one will be special, because if Dion keeps this up the man seen as the anti-Christ of Canadian politics by many will be handed a majority that all the pundits say and have said for years is impossible. It will be delicious, unless you're a Liberal or a lefty of some flavour, or your nic is Wezil.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by notyoueither
              It will be delicious, unless you're a Liberal or a lefty of some flavour, or your nic is Wezil.
              Ooh, a drive by shooting on Wezil.

              It's not like I prefer the alternatives NYE. I just won't vote for such blatant liars.
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              • #8
                If Dion doesn't back off this pledge, what would the chances be of the Tories getting a majority government when this is added to other Liberal problems?
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                • #9
                  The problem with Harper and the Tories is that despite all Dion's problems (and there are lots...) the Canadian public is not coming over to the Tories. Their poll numbers are virtually identical to what they were at the last election. When the Opposition is this bad you have to wonder what is wrong with the government that can't gain support.

                  Albertans will vote Tory regardless of how bad the party is (AB is taken for granted by the Tories) but no matter how bad Harper panders to the rest of the country we just don't seem to be buying. This is why Harper hesitates to pull the plug and go for a new election. He's liable to finish where he started. Dion is apparently doing his best to change this dynamic.
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                  • #10
                    The last time I was in Canada, I remember the Libs (in Ontario, anyway) promising to lower power bills if they were voted in. Perhaps my memory is faulty. That seems a tad more effective than saying that you may raise taxes...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arrian
                      The last time I was in Canada, I remember the Libs (in Ontario, anyway) promising to lower power bills if they were voted in. Perhaps my memory is faulty. That seems a tad more effective than saying that you may raise taxes...

                      -Arrian
                      Yeah, they lied. Hydro went up.
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                      • #12
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wezil
                          The problem with Harper and the Tories is that despite all Dion's problems (and there are lots...) the Canadian public is not coming over to the Tories. Their poll numbers are virtually identical to what they were at the last election. When the Opposition is this bad you have to wonder what is wrong with the government that can't gain support.
                          This appears to be true and I have difficulty understanding it. Other than the taxation of trusts ( and that is a big one) Harper's conservatives have been pretty uncontroversial. The crime bill and tax cuts are popular and he is governing in a time of prosperity which usually rewards governing parties (unless a corruption scandal trips you up)

                          But on current issues harper can talk like this

                          GST-- you said you would ax it and now fight reduction-
                          Kyoto- again you made the pledge but did NOTHING
                          corruption

                          I am actually surprised more people aren't coming over to the Conservatives . Perhaps its that far-right part of the party that spouts off about things like gay marriage from time to time that turns people off. Perhaps its that Harper is still a bit stiff and not all that likeable. Perhaps its that there are 30% of the country that are LIBERALS come hell or high water.

                          I just don't understand it. With all the problems the Liberals have had I would have expected the Conservatives to be in majority territory in the polls. If they aren't how, I winder if they ever will be.

                          But if memory serves, the Conservatives gained appreciably through the campaign last time. With their Conservative money and more profile for Dion, I suspect the same might happen as I have been totally unimpressed by Dion. BUt this is Canadian politics so who knows-- A bad stumble by Harper and if Dion is stronger than I expect

                          Too bad they have to include 5 parties in a debate-- If it was Harper and Dion alone for a couple of hours they might actually get beyond their scripts
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                          • #14
                            I can tell you exactly why the Tories aren't gaining - Harper's style of government.

                            Of course the Conservatives can still make gains if the Libs continue to stumble but if the Libs had a decent leader the reverse could happen.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by notyoueither

                              A Liberal PM (Chretien) won majorities partially due to management of this issue. The Liberal 'Red Book' was important in at least 2 elections that led to Liberal majorities. It mandated eliminating the GST. One of the most memorable Chretien quotes is 'axe da tax'. It is all the more memorable for the total lack of action on the issue despite 3 consecutive majority governments (he could have done just about anything he wanted, like sign Kyoto, pass it through Parliament, and do nothing about it; a theme?).
                              It seems like politicians the world over like to keep popular vote getting issues alive and unresolved. Why "axe da tax" when you can keep using it as a campaign issue during election time and use the money? It kind of reminds me of how Republicans continually use the abortion issue to motivate their voters but don't actually follow through, even when they have near total control, because they don't want to lose the issue.
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