A question about Judeaism, Woman, and Rabbis.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I suppose that would work though they did specifically say they wanted a rabbi on the show. I just thought it was funny that they made a big stink about being devoutly Orthodoxed then accepted a female rabbi.

Teh show's target demographic is women.

[Dinner]

Explains it then.

[DinoDoc]

It doesn't explain why you were watching it though. Do you also watch Lifetime?

[Dinner]

Nope, I'm running out of good shows to watch on alloftv.net and www.tv-links.co.uk. The new season hasn't started for Dr Who, Torchwood, The Wire, Lost, Californication, or Battlestar Galactica so I am left figuring out which series I skipped over is the least waste of my time.

Grey won.

[Zevico]

Speaking as a relatively ignorant secular Jew, my first instinct is that the whole thing is utter rubbish. The 'kosher' thing is about forbidden animals to eat. Not forbidden animals for heart transplants. I doubt that there is any prohibition of this sort.
Women rabbis do not exist in Orthodox Judaism. They exist in Reform Judaism. I don't know about Conservative Judaism though. You'll have to ask LOTM for that.
And a yoetzet halacha would appear in a rabbinical court, not as a rabbi per se.
Don't really recall if there's a prayer for a medical operation. Seems a bit strange and I doubt it.

[MikeH]

Are women Rabbis called Wabbis?

[Vesayen]

Re: A question about Judeaism, Woman, and Rabbis.

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm currently watch Grey's Anatomy and in the episode a young Orthodoxed Jewish girl needs to have one of her heart valves replaced but a cadaver valve couldn't be had so the only option was to use a valve from a pig. Naturally, an Orthodoxed Jewish person wouldn't like that option. Eventually they try an experimental procedure using a valve from a cow but that isn't what this post is about.

Before the surgery the girl wants to pray with a rabbi so the Doctors bring one in. But here is the part I'm most interested in... The Rabbi is a woman. I don't know there were female rabbis much less ones which would be acceptable to a supposedly Orthodoxed Jewish family. Can someone tell me if this is correct or if Hollywood just pulled a fast one?

The Talmud and many writings say you can throw kashroot(the laws relating to being kosher) out of the window to save human life. The only thing you can't do to save human life is idolotry and a small list of other offenses. There is no issue with a pig's heart valve. Not really relevant either because kashrut deals with what you eat. There are some issues of ritual purity, which get thrown out the window with the question of human life.

There are orthodox female rabis. Not a lot, but they exist. Different orthodox sects feel differently about it, some do not have any.

If you go to an orthodox sect in suburbia New York, you might find a female rabi but it is not very common.

If you go to a Charadi(people who don't believe Israel should exist because the meshiach/messiah did not come back yet) neighborhood in Israel, they would never have a female rabi.

[Shrapnel12]

moron screenwriters.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
On a television show, of all things.

QFT

TV screen writers are stupid.

Screen writer was probably some intermarried Hollywood atheist, whose grandpa was a Yiddish socialist, and whose been to a cousin's Reform Jewish wedding, making him an "expert" on things Jewish. He probably heard about CONSERVATIVE women rabbis, and got that confused with Orthodoxy - maybe he was in a CJ service once and the traditional service made him think it WAS Orthodox.

The fact that he thinks O Jews have issues with a friggin HEART VALVE from a pig is confirmation that he knows less about O Judaism than I know about coding games for the Xbox 360.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: A question about Judeaism, Woman, and Rabbis.

Originally posted by Vesayen

There are orthodox female rabis. Not a lot, but they exist. Different orthodox sects feel differently about it, some do not have any.

Name one that does.

Theres a movement to get women O rabbis accepted in the modern O world, but AFAIK none have been ordained. Not for any value of "Orthodox" that anyone non-fringe uses.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Zevico

The 'kosher' thing is about forbidden animals to eat. Not forbidden animals for heart transplants. I doubt that there is any prohibition of this sort.

QFT

Women rabbis do not exist in Orthodox Judaism. They exist in Reform Judaism. I don't know about Conservative Judaism though. You'll have to ask LOTM for that.

They have been ordained by the US Conservative movement for over 20 years, though a shrinking minority of C synagogues wont accept them. The Israeli Masorti movement held out longer, but they now ordain women rabbis too.

[Krill]

How does the acceptance of female Rabbis compare to the acceptance of female vicars in Christianity?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Grey won.

I'd have read a book.

[Krill]

Audio books are better, you can post on poly while listening to them

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Krill
How does the acceptance of female Rabbis compare to the acceptance of female vicars in Christianity?

I dont enough about the acceptance of female vicars to answer (and Im kinda vague on the difference between a vicar, a minister, an Anglican priest, yadda, yadda)

Female rabbis are totally accepted in the Reform and Reconstructionist movements. There was originally considerable resistance in the Conservative movement. A group of C rabbis broke off to form the Union for Traditional Judaism, which rejected female ordination (as well as some C innovations that had been around for years) but remained distinct from Orthodoxy on theological grounds - they drew some very distinguished rabbis, but had little appeal to the laity, and UTJ synagogues are rather thin on the ground. Most lay people, if theyre gonna be to the right of C, would rather just go all the way and be O.

There were also some synagogues that said they would remain within C, but would never hire a female rabbi (they were allowed to take that position) but my impression is that the number of such synagogues has been dropping steadily.