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    US court rejects CIA kidnap case

    The US Supreme Court has thrown out an appeal by a Lebanese-born German citizen who accuses the CIA of kidnapping and torturing him.
    Khaled al-Masri had been appealing against the decision of lower courts not to hear his case against the CIA on national security grounds.

    Mr Masri says he was abducted in Macedonia in 2003 and flown to Afghanistan for interrogation.

    His case has highlighted the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" programme.

    The Supreme Court's decision "terminated" Mr Masri's lawsuit and was issued without comment, The Associated Press news agency notes.

    Correspondents say the decision will be seen as an endorsement of the Bush administration's argument that state secrets would be revealed if the case were allowed to proceed.

    'Traumatised'

    In his lawsuit, Mr Masri was seeking damages of $75,000 (£37,000).

    The 44-year-old alleges he was tortured during five months in detention, four months of which were spent in a prison in Kabul, Afghanistan, nicknamed the "salt pit".

    On his flight to Afghanistan, he says, he was stripped, beaten, shackled, made to wear "diapers", drugged and chained to the floor of the plane.

    By his account, he was finally released in Albania after the Americans realised they had got the wrong man.

    He told the BBC in February he had been "traumatised" by his experiences.

    Last month, Germany reportedly dropped a request to the US to extradite 13 suspected CIA agents accused of abducting him.
    In Clancy novels, CIA does dirty jobs like this all the time. But they NEVER get the wrong guy. This sounds more like Kafka.
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    I had to sit in traffic today, OMFG TEH TORTURE!!!
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    • #3
      LOL in a diaper??
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      • #4
        Thats pretty standard practice for prisoners and long term travel everywhere actually. Makes perfect sense.
        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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        • #5
          Yes, but why kidnap him in the first place? And why fly him to Kabul if it was USA who wanted him? And why drop him off in the wrong country, Albania of all weird places? And why deny him compensation when you realise you detained the wrong guy for a period of five months?

          How does this event promote the American ideal of freedom?
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            That's all I have to say about this.
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            • #7
              Eh, any Tom Clancy book without Soviets is crap.
              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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              • #8
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Patroklos
                  Eh, any Tom Clancy book without Soviets is crap.
                  Rainbow Six was pretty good. But then 9/11 made him go silent for a while, as real-life terrorists stole his idea of using airliners as missiles. What he has written the last six years is definitely crap.

                  But the story in the OP would make more sense if it was KGB who did the same thing. Not what you would expect from a country calling itself a freedom-supporting democracy.
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                  • #10
                    In the Tom Clancy novel, a secretive yet world renowned team of near superhuman counter-terrorism agents would have scooped up the correct guy within five minutes of him being wanted. The US military would then proceded to act on the intel they extracted from him by bombing some place within 2 hours without so much as putting a blade of grass out of place in the surrounding area - because the US military is a flawless, relentless machine!
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                    • #11
                      This makes me think of The Good Shepherd.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by snoopy369
                        QFT

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kontiki
                          In the Tom Clancy novel, a secretive yet world renowned team of near superhuman counter-terrorism agents would have scooped up the correct guy within five minutes of him being wanted. The US military would then proceded to act on the intel they extracted from him by bombing some place within 2 hours without so much as putting a blade of grass out of place in the surrounding area - because the US military is a flawless, relentless machine!

                          You obviously haven't read Clancy-- IN a Clancy novel the bad guys generally score first due to some ineptitude of the US government or sneakiness of the bad guys ( nuke bomb, entire Congress killed, bio-agents released, stock market crashed, Chinese missile within miles of Washington)

                          So its only after the government screw-ups that the uber-military folks are called and then they blow up things without error and catch every bad guy ever know through infallible intelligence and perfect military execution
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                          • #14
                            I find it ridculous that the courts continue to allow the "state secrets" argument given its history.

                            I mean, we now KNOW that the government lied to the courts in 1953 when the precedent was set for this ruling. And yet the courts continue to buy the argument.....
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Flubber



                              You obviously haven't read Clancy-- IN a Clancy novel the bad guys generally score first due to some ineptitude of the US government or sneakiness of the bad guys ( nuke bomb, entire Congress killed, bio-agents released, stock market crashed, Chinese missile within miles of Washington)

                              So its only after the government screw-ups that the uber-military folks are called and then they blow up things without error and catch every bad guy ever know through infallible intelligence and perfect military execution
                              Of course - that's the whole Clancy premise. Mistakes are only made by incompetent leadership, and that incompetence comes from not having served in the breeding ground of human perfection, the US military.
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