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    Teacher Fighting For Right To Carry Pistol

    Oregon Teacher Says She Needs Gun For Protection



    MEDFORD, Ore -- English teacher Shirley Katz insists she needs to take her pistol with her to school because she fears her ex-husband could show up and try to harm her. She's also worried about a Columbine-style attack.

    But Katz's district has barred teachers from bringing guns to school, so she is challenging the ban as unlawful, since Oregon is among states that allow people with a permit to carry concealed weapons into public buildings.

    "This is primarily about my Second Amendment right and Oregon law and the simple fact that I know it is my right to carry that gun," said Katz, 44, sitting at the kitchen table of her home outside this city of 74,000.

    "I have that (concealed weapons) permit. I refuse to let my ex-husband bully me. And I am not going to let the school board bully me, either."

    In Oregon, a sheriff can grant a concealed-weapons permit to anyone whose criminal record is clean and who completes a gun-safety course.

    Thirty-eight states, along with the District of Columbia, prohibit people from taking guns to school, according to the National Council of State Legislatures. But it's unclear if special weapons permits offer an exemption, since the council does not track such exceptions.

    School Superintendent Phil Long insists employees and students are safer without guns on campus. The district plans to make that argument when the case comes before a judge on Thursday.

    Katz's request appears to be rare. School security consultant Ken Trump, president of National School Safety and Security Services in Cleveland, said he has never heard of a similar case while working in 45 states.

    Katz won't say whether she has ever taken her gun to school, but she practices with it regularly and has thought about what she would do if she had to confront a gunman. She would be sure students were locked in nearby offices out of the line of fire, and she would be ready with her pistol.

    "Our safety plan at our school now is that if somebody threatening comes in, you try to avoid eye contact, and do whatever they say, and that is not acceptable anymore," she said. Shootings at Virginia Tech University and the one-room Amish school in Pennsylvania, "reinforced my belief we have to take action, we can't just acquiesce as we have been taught to do."

    Katz never owned a gun until she and her then-husband, commercial photographer Gerry Katz, moved to Oregon from Atlanta eight years ago and bought 20 acres on a gravel road in the foothills of the Cascade Range.

    "Being out in the country, we just felt we needed to have a gun here for personal safety," she said.

    In 2004, Gerry Katz, who had a concealed weapons permit, was arrested for pulling a .38-caliber revolver after a confrontation that began in a parking lot with two men whose car almost hit his.

    According to the police report, he did not point the weapon at anyone. The police seized it, and the charges were later dismissed. Gerry Katz said he never went back for his gun.

    Shirley Katz said she bought her own gun in 2004 after Gerry Katz grabbed her by the throat and threatened to kill her - an allegation he denies.

    He argues that her desire to take her gun to school is about reopening their divorce to get exclusive custody of their 6-year-old daughter.

    "She's just scamming everybody," he said. "As soon as this thing started ... I called the principal at her high school and told her ... I am not coming to your school. I am not a threat to her. I have no desire to hurt her."

    Oregon had a school shooting in 1998, when student Kip Kinkel killed his parents at home, then drove to school and opened fire in the cafeteria of Thurston High School in Springfield, killing two and wounding 25 others.

    Since then, the Legislature has considered barring people with concealed weapons permits from carrying guns in schools, but the bills have failed, said Dori Brattain, general counsel to the Oregon School Boards Association.

    Some South Medford students say they are uncomfortable with the idea of a teacher carrying a gun, especially since they cannot bring even scissors to school.

    "I totally understand she wants to protect herself," said Lauren Forderer, 16, a junior. "But I don't agree she should bring her problems around 2,000 other people."

    Even if she wins, Katz said, she may not bring the gun to school.

    "The whole point of carrying concealed is no one should know you're carrying," she said. "So I feel like my carrying concealed on campus now sets me up as a target."

  • #2
    The pen is mightier.... lead by example!
    Monkey!!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Japher
      .... lead by example!
      "lead" as in "leadership,"
      or "lead" as in bullets?

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      • #4
        it was a double pun!
        Monkey!!!

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        • #5
          "Our safety plan at our school now is that if somebody threatening comes in, you try to avoid eye contact, and do whatever they say, and that is not acceptable anymore," she said. Shootings at Virginia Tech University and the one-room Amish school in Pennsylvania, "reinforced my belief we have to take action, we can't just acquiesce as we have been taught to do."
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          • #6
            Good for the teacher! Standing up for your rights.
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            • #7
              One might argue that a school isn´t some kind of public place and therefore the school administration is free to set house rules, including forbidding anyone to carry weapons (concealed or not) on school property.
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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              • #8
                aren't English teachers supposed to be peace loving liberals? All mine were. They aren't supposed to be packing guns. They should use their literary skills to diffuse dangerous situations, not guns.

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                • #9
                  She probably has a greater chance of accidentally shooting herself carrying that thing around than the chance of being involved in a school shooting.

                  Paranoia run amok.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wezil
                    She probably has a greater chance of accidentally shooting herself carrying that thing around than the chance of being involved in a school shooting.

                    Paranoia run amok.
                    Well, she is able to start one if she carries her gun with her
                    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Proteus_MST
                      One might argue that a school isn´t some kind of public place
                      What is it then?

                      Originally posted by Wezil
                      She probably has a greater chance of accidentally shooting herself carrying that thing around than the chance of being involved in a school shooting.

                      English teacher Shirley Katz insists she needs to take her pistol with her to school because she fears her ex-husband could show up and try to harm her.

                      What are the chances of her being involved in a violent domestic assault?
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc

                        English teacher Shirley Katz insists she needs to take her pistol with her to school because she fears her ex-husband could show up and try to harm her.
                        Unsubstantiated by all accounts.

                        What are the chances of her being involved in a violent domestic assault?
                        What are the chances she's pulling a scam (as her ex alleges) undercover of her 2nd Amendment Rights?
                        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                        • #13
                          I would certainly not like to see a court ruling that people have a 2nd Amendment right to bring guns onto school grounds.

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                          • #14
                            I think that would be insane, but then again I find the American fascination with firearms to be insane to start with.
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              Some South Medford students say they are uncomfortable with the idea of a teacher carrying a gun, especially since they cannot bring even scissors to school.
                              Ah, I see, so it's all about fair play?

                              Yeah, pulling a .38 definitely beats a smart rap on the knuckles with a ruler. Think how discipline will approve.

                              I wonder about the kids who raised this objection. Are teacher-student showdowns that common?
                              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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