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    Ontario is all proud of it's new "street-racing laws". Any car going 50 km/h or higher above the speed limit is automatically deemed to be "racing" (regardless of if it was, you know, racing). This means a minimum $2,000 fine, immediate loss of your license for 7 days, and immediate impounding of your car for 7 days.

    That doesn't sound so bad, does it? It sounds okay on its face to me. After all, 50 km/h over the speed limit sounds absurdly high. But the problem in Ontario is the speed limit on the major highways is in no way what is the "real" speed limit. On the 401, the major highway in the province, the average speed on the road is 130-140 km/h. In fact, traffic going the 100 km/h "limit" is an obstacle and is VERY frequently passed by the 18-wheelers that go faster than that. Going the speed limit on this road is a bad idea.

    Thus, people (including cop cars, all the time) go 130-140 km/h on a regular basis. The only time you ever get pulled over when going this speed is when the particular officer is on a power trip or the quotas need to be met.

    So now we're at a point where if you go 10-20km/h over the REAL speed limit, you're going to become a "street racer" with massive punishments. The real sensible thing to do is to set a sensible speed limit on the 400-series highways. These are massive, wide-laned, barriered roads with very slight turns. They used to be a higher speed limit until they lowered them in the 70s to "conserve fuel".

    On top of this absurdity, the articles I've been reading about a press conference the Ontario Provincial Police had seems to positively gloat over the punishment they've dealt out to young drivers:


    It was enough to drive one young man to tears after he became one of the first stopped by the Ontario Provincial Police after the law — aimed at drivers doing more than 50 kilometres over the speed limit — came into effect today.

    “A young man started crying as his mom’s car was impounded,” said OPP Sgt. Cam Woolley, unable to say if the tears were prompted by the temporary loss of the car, the potential fine, or in anticipation of mom’s wrath.

    Another driver, who just got his new car, promptly lost it after he was clocked doing 174 km/h on Highway 401, which has a 100 km/h speed limit. “He only had the car for two days, and the car will be impounded longer than he owned it,” Woolley noted.


    Yes, speeding and street racing are both problems. But one of the problems is, by virtue of the absurdly low speed limit, you devalue the whole purpose (and likely adherence to the speed limit). This province isn't raising the speed limit simply because its become somewhat of a cash cow. It's a ****ed up province.
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    At another point I'll post a thread about how ridiculously stupid the Toronto government is as well. This whole region is a gong show of stupidity.
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    • #3
      Are you harboring ill will? It seems that way to me.
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      • #4
        Against who?

        I have major problems with the OPP. On two occasions they have been immense dicks (and in one, blatantly abused power). The fact that in their press conferences they remain immense dicks says a lot.

        But the main meat of the problem here is the Ontario government in general.
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        • #5
          100 k/h in a city is kind of standard here.
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          • #6
            It's not within a city, Slowwy.

            62 mph is the posted limit, even if it's a straight line for 100 km with 12 lanes in the middle of nowhere.

            Everyone except for a couple drivers (who are hazards on the road) go about 80 mph. Including cop cars (ghost or otherwise).
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            • #7
              Open highway? Bump it up by 10 in Texas. Colorado, 15 more, as for instances. That is slow then.
              Went through a period of 55mph here. It was very straining.
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              • #8
                The main issue I have is that press conference. They called a press conference to basically brag about how they made a young man cry with their new laws.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SlowwHand
                  It was very straining.
                  Cross-country truckers HATED it!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SlowwHand
                    Open highway? Bump it up by 10 in Texas. Colorado, 15 more, as for instances. That is slow then.
                    Went through a period of 55mph here. It was very straining.
                    Almost every highway except I-95 is 55 mph in Maryland. Wow. There's so much of the world I'm missing.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zkribbler


                      Cross-country truckers HATED it!
                      In Ontario they're talking about adding computer chips in trucks so they CAN'T ever go faster than 100 km/h.
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                      • #12
                        That still seems far more reasonable than Virginia.
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                        • #13
                          I figure as long as I stay 10 over the limit, I'm relatively safe. I drove 80 when I could, taking Playful to Utah.
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                          • #14
                            Highway speed limits, more often than not, are simply revenue-gathering exercises. People in general rarely work up enough of a lather to get it changed because not enough are affected, and it's an issue that can too easily be dismissed by the unthinking majority as one of safety. Evidence be damned.

                            The people of Ontario should count themselves fortunate that they can go 130-140 without fear. In NZ the roads are a police state, rigged with speed cameras at every turn, and cops who won't hesitate to pull over anyone going more than 110km/h (100 km/h limit).
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                            • #15
                              Re: Stupid laws, smug cops

                              Originally posted by Asher
                              Ontario is all proud of it's new "street-racing laws"....
                              Wow, an issue I can talk about w/o blowing air out my ***.

                              I hear your complaint but I do take issue with the 130-140 kph. If you are traveling that fast on the 401 you WILL be ticketed. 120 is the accepted limit by the cops.

                              The "street racing" law I suspect will be shot down on appeal. There will be an "intent" requirement that will be hard to prove. We have laws against racing already (intent is usually proven by the existence of two vehicles). The prosecution will need to prove someone was "racing" and not just driving really fast.

                              I didn't see the photo-op but the Libs are desperate to appear tough on L&O issues going to the polls. Stomping on the citizenry is not below this government. Speaking of the election - check on Ontario government websites (MTO in this case). They are littered with free political campaign messages all courtesy of the Ontario taxpayer... (www.mto.gov.on.ca).

                              Someone else raised the speed limit "cash cow" issue as well...
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