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    I'm just going to upload the bulk of this. It's too lenthy to post and Playful just copied and pasted to Word, so if you want it as "documented, this is the best I can do. Google it.



    Title:
    THE BATTLE FOR BOUNTIFUL. By: MacQueen, Ken, Maclean's, 00249262, 12/13/2004, Vol. 117, Issue 50
    Database:
    Academic Search Premier
    THE BATTLE FOR BOUNTIFUL
    Contents
    1. TROUBLE IN TEXAS
    2. SONS AND DAUGHTER
    3. WORLDS APART
    Section: Religion




    Jeffs exerts godlike control over his followers. His increasingly erratic message is laced with blatant racism and apocalyptic visions -- all the more disturbing since he now runs Bountiful's provincially funded school. Blackmore, meanwhile, who also claims the loyalty of a growing number of disaffected U.S. fundamentalists, says, "There is a very real potential for violence, and not on our part." Those under Jeffs's sway, he told Maclean's, "could do anything, and would do anything -- and I mean anything -- they thought they were supposed to do."
    TROUBLE IN TEXAS
    Since the arrival late last winter of the "marrying people," as one of Eldorado's more eccentric citizens calls them, there's plenty to talk about in this tiny west Texas town, if not much to see. The polygamous enclave of the YFZ (Yearning for Zion) Ranch is marked by nothing more than a "No Trespassing" sign on a locked gate off a country road. A long lane undulates over rocky rangeland, past stunted mesquite and juniper trees and ubiquitous prickly pear cactus. There may be 50 fundamentalists in there, says the local sheriff; or 200, says the local newspaper editor. They were chosen by the prophet -- Jeffs -- from the enclave on the Arizona-Utah border and likely also from Bountiful, where believers have contributed truckloads of lumber and prefabricated buildings to the cause.
    Jeffs never gives interviews, leaving others to speculate. Is he building a refuge from legal troubles, or preparing the most faithful for the fiery apocalypse he has long predicted? The church's lawyer, Rod Parker of Salt Lake City, says the group hasn't offered a reason for moving into Texas (there is also a second new enclave near Mancos, Colo.). He speculates the leadership is seeking more freedom and privacy. "I think they were looking for a place where they had more control over the comings and goings of people, especially from the outside," Parker says. He adds that public concerns whipped up by recent church activities are "over the top." Still, the goings-on, beyond a guard hut barely visible on the horizon, are the stuff of worry and fear.

    Texas law enforcement officials are watching, too. There's talk of a kidnapped Canadian woman and her three sons out there, of forced marriages amounting to child rape, of obedience unto death to the prophet. Jeffs is under investigation by the Utah attorney general's office and faces civil suits in the state, including one that alleges he and two brothers repeatedly sodomized a nephew -- allegations Jeffs has denied. Jeffs has avoided being served with a summons by shuttling among his enclaves, says Sam Brower, a private investigator who has tracked Jeffs for months on behalf of the law firm mounting the civil cases.

    Brower isn't alone in fearing that attempts to apprehend Jeffs may trigger a dangerous reaction. "Backed into a corner, there is the potential for all kinds of violence on the magnitude of Jonestown," he says, evoking the 1978 mass suicide in Guyana where 900 American cult members died on the orders of leader Jim Jones. Brower spends several days each week in the fundamentalist enclave of Hildale-Colorado City, and has extensively interviewed current and former followers of Jeffs. "I know there's people who will die for him, lie for him, steal for him," he says. "I've heard people say they'd kill their family if Jeffs asked them to, that's how strongly they believe."
    His fears are shared by child victim advocate Flora Jessop, 34, who fled the Arizona-Utah enclave as a 16-year-old bride. The only thing more dangerous than arresting Jeffs is leaving him be, she says from Phoenix, where she works to rescue children from the sect. "It's not a matter of if there's going to be violence, it's a matter of when," she says. "Things are going to continue to deteriorate to the point where there's going to be a lot more innocents hurt."
    This place, to any of you who might have the slightest knowledge of Texas geography, is about halfway between Abilene and Del Rio near the Mexico border.
    Some south of San Angelo. Desolate and rough country.


    Edit: Well, I forgot to upload it. Big deal.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

  • #2
    When I saw Jeffs I thought this was about the polygamists out in Az

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    • #3
      It is. Just he's in a different place now.

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      • #4
        Maybe it is. They've spread down.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #6
            That's it. Thanks.
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #7
              I stayed with some Branch Davidians when I was in the Philippines. There even was a regional convention at their house with several dozen people attending. Fortunately I was able to prove to the family that I was staying with (Lancer, it's the family that owns Onsing's Lumber if you're familiar with them) that their pastor was a false prophet (he made a prediction that the US would pass a National Sunday Law by 2004 and to make sure that they would remember that prediction, I promised all of them to pay them a huge sum of money if his prophecy came true). So you can say that I'm a rather effective deprogrammer. I've even deprogrammed several dozen people in the US and the Philippines who were brainwashed into believing the Bush administration version of 9/11.
              Last edited by Slaughtermeyer; September 22, 2007, 02:19.
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              • #8
                Re: The Next Branch-Davidian Incident In The Making

                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                This place, to any of you who might have the slightest knowledge of Texas geography, is about halfway between Abilene and Del Rio near the Mexico border.
                Some south of San Angelo. Desolate and rough country.
                Perfect. We can give these nuts to Mexico and let them deal with it.
                I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - Pekka

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                • #9
                  And I always believed Davidianism died out with the death of Koresh at the Wacko äh Waco Ranch
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                  • #10
                    I'm sure that a lot of people have since flocked to Koresh as some sort of martyr. Apparently Shoko Asahara still has followers, even after the sarin gas attacks.

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                    • #11
                      Jeffs' followers also have a compound in the Black Hills of South Dakota.

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                      • #12
                        I'm more scared of this Creciendo en Gracia. Saw a thing on 20/20 about him, what a scam artist.

                        Monkey!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer
                          I stayed with some Branch Davidians when I was in the Philippines. There even was a regional convention at their house with several dozen people attending. Fortunately I was able to prove to the family that I was staying with (Lancer, it's the family that owns Onsing's Lumber if you're familiar with them) that their pastor was a false prophet (he made a prediction that the US would pass a National Sunday Law by 2004 and to make sure that they would remember that prediction, I promised all of them to pay them a huge sum of money if his prophecy came true). So you can say that I'm a rather effective deprogrammer. I've even deprogrammed several dozen people in the US and the Philippines who were brainwashed into believing the Bush administration version of 9/11.
                          I was just thinking how nice it is we're going to the Phils and don't have to deal with such stuff as Sloww described when I read your post. Ooopppss.
                          Long time member @ Apolyton
                          Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                          • #14
                            I skimmed this. It seems to have something to do with bountiful, Texas. I didnt even know that was a real place, I thought they made the name up for the movie "Trip to Bountiful" I found that movie very, well, moving. I was talking to POTM about it the other day, and mentioned Id like to rent it. Also "Places in the Heart"
                            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                            • #15
                              Our polygamists live in "Bountiful" British Columbia. Must be something about the name that these nutters like.
                              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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