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Originally posted by Wezil
You're just looking for an argument.
You're just looking for an argument.
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That's what I come here for.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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If you're looking for sports and brew, the sports bar.
Looking for an argument, ACS.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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That's what I come here for.
I know.
Arguments are only 20% of my OT quota (goofing around is the other 80%). I've met my argument limit for the day.
Besides, its late on a friday. I'm in no shape to debate coherently.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Kewl dude, puff puff give.Originally posted by Wezil
Besides, its late on a friday. I'm in no shape to debate coherently.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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I have an incredible urge to spam like a madman but I know the mods would be on me like white on rice.
Ming has been watching me like a hawk.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Good idea.
They are probably all drunk though.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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They're yukking it up over in the secret Mod thread no doubt.
Hey Lancer, did you get the password for that yet?"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Ok (sigh). I'll fall on my sword for you both.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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I don't know if the student tasering incident rises to the level of torture, although I do feel that the campus police did punish the student for resisting. What are legal implications of that, if any, I don't know.
The second video I linked, appears to be close, if not actual torture.
Not to be pedantic, but I think the definition of torture needs to be posted, so that the argument can be clarified. There were two definitions on Merriam Webster.
1 tor·ture
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle French, from Old French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquēre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drāhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
Date:
1540
1 a: anguish of body or mind : agony b: something that causes agony or pain
2: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3: distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : straining
2 torture
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
tor·tured; tor·tur·ing \ˈtȯrch-riŋ, ˈtȯr-chə-\
Date:
1588
1 : to cause intense suffering to : torment
2 : to punish or coerce by inflicting excruciating pain
3 : to twist or wrench out of shape : distort, warp
The parts that are applicable here are coercion and punishment.
I'm not sure that a successful argument can be made for sadistic pleasure, although I think that is the unspoken sub-text in this entire discussion."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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A) Of course it's anguish. It's supposed to be.
B) Blame France.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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a) Huh?
b)
"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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I wouldn't try to make it. I know too many cops to go with that presumption w/o more evidence.Originally posted by MosesPresley
I'm not sure that a successful argument can be made for sadistic pleasure, although I think that is the unspoken sub-text in this entire discussion.
Thanks for the def's.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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The thing is that I think this "level" that people seem to be talking about doesn't exist. Some people don't want to call it toture for some reason although there is no reason to say that it isn't. Wezil, said it doesn't matter to him, which I think is an honest answer.Originally posted by MosesPresley
I don't know if the student tasering incident rises to the level of torture, although I do feel that the campus police did punish the student for resisting.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Let's not be too free with my opinion...Originally posted by Kidicious
Wezil, said it doesn't matter to him, which I think is an honest answer.
I of course care about "torture", I just think pretty much any force in this case was "excessive". My bar is just a lot lower in this situation... I don't think torture is a standard that needs to be proven here hence is a moot point."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Aren't you a lawyer, Wezil? Think you could get a few cops fired if Tazer boy were your client?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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