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    Iraq revokes license of U.S. contractor Blackwater
    The U.S. Embassy said that the Blackwater convoy accused of killing eight civilians during a shootout on Sunday had come under fire, and some local Iraqi television accounts reported an exchange of gunfire at the scene in Baghdad.
    Interior Ministry accuses the firm's security employees of killing eight civilians.


    By Ned Parker, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer



    BAGHDAD -- Iraq's Interior Ministry canceled the license of controversial American security firm Blackwater USA today after Iraqi officials charged that eight civilians were shot by company bodyguards accompanying a U.S. State Department motorcade the day before in Baghdad.

    "It has been revoked," said Brig. Gen. Abdul Kareem Khalaf, a spokesman for the ministry. "They committed a crime. The judicial system will take action."

    The decision marks Iraq's boldest step yet to assert itself against foreign security contractors, who arrived in Iraq after the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. Blackwater has become the symbol of foreign gunmen accused by many Iraqis of speeding through Baghdad's streets and shooting wildly at anyone seen as a threat.

    Khalaf said eight people were killed and 13 wounded when a convoy came speeding by Nisoor Square at the edge of the Mansour district of west Baghdad. Two Iraqi witnesses said no one had attacked the convoy. However, some local Iraqi television accounts reported an exchange of gunfire at the scene.

    The U.S. Embassy also said the convoy had come under fire.

    "A car bomb went off near a location where U.S. Embassy officials were in a meeting," spokeswoman Mirembe Nantongo said. "Two U.S. Embassy support teams responded. One team made it to the scene quickly and the other team came under fire."

    Asked whether Blackwater had stopped working in Baghdad, Nantongo said, "Discussions are going on between us and the Iraqi authorities."

    American officials want to get to the bottom of the incident, she said. "We take this very seriously, and we are launching a full investigation in cooperation with the Iraqi authorities," Nantongo said.

    Spokesmen for Blackwater were not immediately available for comment. The company, based in Moyock, N.C., was founded by a former Navy SEAL. It employs about 1,000 people in Iraq.

    The company provides security for U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and other embassy staff. Crocker lauded the firm in his testimony on Iraq to Congress last week. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus also has praised private security firms as a vital partner in Iraq.

    Tens of thousands of security firm employees operate in the war-torn country. But larger companies like Blackwater, with its U.S. government contract, operate on another level, with their arsenal of helicopters, turreted armored vehicles and automatic weapons.

    Security firms working with the American government and its allies are technically granted immunity under an order issued in 2004 by L. Paul Bremer III, then-U.S. administrator of Iraq. The U.S. government has the right to waive the immunity for contractors, allowing them to be prosecuted in Iraqi courts.

  • #2
    Why are they controversial?
    "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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    • #3
      Maybe because of this?



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      • #4
        Why are they controversial?
        A) They're mercs. They're out of control.
        B) As pointed out in the last paragraph, they operate under blanket immunity.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Patroklos
          Why are they controversial?
          The news stories about them over the years (before Iraq) have largely depended on whether the situation was popular with the media or not.
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          • #6
            They're mercs, plus they're oen of the worst companies at it. They should be gone.
            In da butt.
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            • #7


              It's ironic, because I'm reading "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army" at the moment .

              And yes, they are controversial because they are mercenaries and what the US government is relying more and more on. Also, until recently they weren't covered under UCMJ, nor were able to be prosecuted in Iraq due to Bremer's final order as proconsol. In addition, the death of 4 Blackwater personnel in Fallujah led to a response which was not proportional to the action, which was probably a pretty good reason the rebellion gained so many followers among the ordinary Iraqi people (among other reasons, of course).
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              • #8
                Umm, Fallujah was caused by the 82nd taking over the school, students protesting, and then killing of the protesters.
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                "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
                "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
                "In Apoc, I had one soldier who lasted through the entire game... was pretty cool. I like apoc for that reason, the soldiers are a bit more 'personal'." - General Ludd

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Apocalypse
                  Umm, Fallujah was caused by the 82nd taking over the school, students protesting, and then killing of the protesters.
                  In Fallujah, yes, but it didn't have such a galvanizing effect on the general Iraqi population. It wasn't until the First Battle of Fallujah, which followed the deaths of the 4 Blackwater personnel (before that, US troops had vacated the city), that the US was seen as the new Saddam by a large number of Iraqis and not just the Fallujans who had seen US troops killing protesters.

                  The First Battle of Fallujah is also where Al-Zarqwai made his name.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
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                  • #10
                    What war have you been following?
                    "Yay Apoc!!!!!!!" - bipolarbear
                    "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
                    "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
                    "In Apoc, I had one soldier who lasted through the entire game... was pretty cool. I like apoc for that reason, the soldiers are a bit more 'personal'." - General Ludd

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                    • #11
                      The current Iraq war... which one have you been following?

                      I mean really, Fallujah was considered the big holdout. Perhaps it was the media covering for the Bush Administration, but it made it seem fairly isolated (not the only area of trouble, but one of the few). Until we tried to 'pacify' the city things didn't seem to hit the fan.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
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                      • #12
                        They're mercs
                        Mercs have been around forever, so again why are they controversial?

                        And yes, they are controversial because they are mercenaries and what the US government is relying more and more on.
                        Yeah, I think they make up like .0001 percent of the US security apparatus now
                        Last edited by Patroklos; September 18, 2007, 08:29.
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                        • #13
                          "Mercs have been around forever, so again whay are they controversial?"

                          Well, for starters, we've moved to a point where we usually don't hire them to do the job when we use national army.

                          That kind of stuff.

                          Plus, the legality of it is kind of open in the air.

                          SO not much, just these little things.

                          Do you understand this? Should I make this easier? They are not part of the army, yet they are in the war zone engaging into fights. Comprende?
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                          • #14
                            Has there ever been an occupation by any army where private firms were not used for security?

                            What job are they doing that the national army should be doing? The simple fact is it is no longer considered kosher or national assets to be used to protect private assets to the degree it would have been acceptable in say WWII, Korea, Vietnam or even as late as GWI.

                            It is also funny that you think firms like Blackwater have not been integral to training for all of modern history. They are consultants like any other, should we forgo learning from experience hardened Master Chiefs, Master Seargents, and officers of various grades because a CNN report decided to call the "mercs?"

                            I personally trained with Blackwater in Moyock for noncompliant boardings. My instructors were two former Ranger Master Sergeants and a former Coast Guard counter narcotics boarding team member (read about them, they do some crazy stuff). They were nothing but professional and I benefited greatly from their knowledge, and with them doing the training the actual Navy trained boarding teams could be used in the field vice in the rear.
                            "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              Plus, the legality of it is kind of open in the air.
                              In what way?
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