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Originally posted by Asher
Do you think AT&T's 1,800 stores got 1/7th of the iPhone shipments?
Do you think AT&T's 1,800 stores got 1/7th of the iPhone shipments?
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I think they got what they thought they might sell in a week or probably less. Divide a week into 2 months. What do you get?Last edited by Kidlicious; September 12, 2007, 10:49.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Kidicious
First, you seem to think that ATT is doing a lot of the distribution work and planning that Apple is probably doing. They aren't ordering from China or anything. They might have some small distubution centers but I doubt that. Probably the same delivery trucks that deliver to the Apple stores deliver to the ATT stores. Apple does most of the distribution.
Like I said, I dont know the logistics chains in this industry. I dont know where title passes, or who runs the transport and warehousing. If anyone knows, feel free to post it. I havent yet seen any clear assertion on that from you or from Asher, and Im genuinely curious.
Second, this is a new product. How long would you think that ATT would react, if they were responsible for extensive logistics planning? A month?
I dont know. It would depend on a lot of things Id think."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by lord of the mark
Certainly you can't believe that ATT's logistical responsibilities goes beyond holding at local distribution centers and delivery to stores?Originally posted by Kidicious
First, you seem to think that ATT is doing a lot of the distribution work and planning that Apple is probably doing. They aren't ordering from China or anything. They might have some small distubution centers but I doubt that. Probably the same delivery trucks that deliver to the Apple stores deliver to the ATT stores. Apple does most of the distribution.
Like I said, I dont know the logistics chains in this industry. I dont know where title passes, or who runs the transport and warehousing. If anyone knows, feel free to post it. I havent yet seen any clear assertion on that from you or from Asher, and Im genuinely curious.
The only thing it would depend on is whether ATT managers are complete idiots with no training at all. Asher is claiming that ATT is warehousing hundreds of thousands of phones.Second, this is a new product. How long would you think that ATT would react, if they were responsible for extensive logistics planning? A month?
I dont know. It would depend on a lot of things Id think.
Asher,
Exactly how many hundreds of thousands of iphones are you claiming ATT is warehousing just that we know?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Do you understand that container ships are used to ship these products from China to USA? Do you know how long that trip takes?Originally posted by Kidicious
I think they got what they thought they might sell in a week or probably less. Divide a week into 2 months. What do you get?
Yes, they got what they thought they might sell. I am saying they very likely sold a lot less than they expected, given the enormous sales marketshare the Apple Stores have.
You seem to think that there aren't "waves" of shipments on container ships bound from China. AT&T probably had to order at least one month in advance the entire first month's shipping schedule. They come on container ships from China.
So even if they judge in the first week sales were below expectations, they continue receiving the shipments. They can't immediately say "Nah, we don't want anymore"...they already bought X many weeks of stock."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Kidicious
Certainly you can't believe that ATT's logistical responsibilities goes beyond holding at local distribution centers and delivery to stores?
The only thing it would depend on is whether ATT managers are complete idiots with no training at all. Asher is claiming that ATT is warehousing hundreds of thousands of phones.
It's absurd to give a fixed number. I'm just saying it's very likely that there is a large number of phones that AT&T isn't selling, because people are buying from Apple.Asher,
Exactly how many hundreds of thousands of iphones are you claiming ATT is warehousing just that we know?
And no, it's not "just us" that know. Why, exactly, do you think the price of Apple and AT&T shares declined with news of the pricecut? Smart investors began connecting the dots as well."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Asher
Do you understand that container ships are used to ship these products from China to USA? Do you know how long that trip takes?
Yes, they got what they thought they might sell. I am saying they very likely sold a lot less than they expected, given the enormous sales marketshare the Apple Stores have.
You seem to think that there aren't "waves" of shipments on container ships bound from China. AT&T probably had to order at least one month in advance the entire first month's shipping schedule. They come on container ships from China.
So even if they judge in the first week sales were below expectations, they continue receiving the shipments. They can't immediately say "Nah, we don't want anymore"...they already bought X many weeks of stock.
BS. They order from Apple, and Apple delivers the next day probably. Maybe up to a week.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by Zopperoni
This one is accurate too: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a ******* ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons."
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You said most before. That's over 500,000. I would like an idea of what you are thinking. Because if it's less than 200,000 that's not really saying much.Originally posted by Asher
It's absurd to give a fixed number. I'm just saying it's very likely that there is a large number of phones that AT&T isn't selling, because people are buying from Apple.
Yes, the stock prices fell because investors expected the price to stay at the same for longer. However, if investors thought that excessive inventories were backing up at ATT and the sales figures were misleading the stock prices would have fell a whole hell of a lot more than they did. You are talking about actions that warrant SEC investigation.And no, it's not "just us" that know. Why, exactly, do you think the price of Apple and AT&T shares declined with news of the pricecut? Smart investors began connecting the dots as well.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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That's funny, it took them 3 weeks to ship me my laptop from China...and that was couriered, not on a container ship.Originally posted by Kidicious
BS. They order from Apple, and Apple delivers the next day probably. Maybe up to a week.
Methinks you've no clue how logistics work for consumer electronics."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Quote it if I said it.Originally posted by Kidicious
You said most before. That's over 500,000.
...because they expected stronger demand resilience.Yes, the stock prices fell because investors expected the price to stay at the same for longer.
How many times do we need to explain this to you? There's no collusion or anything illegal going on. It's AT&T likely placing a huge order that they aren't selling through rapidly since people are buying at Apple Stores, not AT&T stores.You are talking about actions that warrant SEC investigation.
I give up. This is futile."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Really? With the high value, even at wholesale, of these phones, and the fact that its a product launch (with natural uncertainty as to sales) i'd be surprised it wasn't by air. Although air rates are higher lately with fuel prices up.Originally posted by Asher
Do you understand that container ships are used to ship these products from China to USA?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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MarkG, good for you to laugh. I welcome you to usability labs. Maybe you can learn something.In da butt.
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You don't think Apple has distribution centers in the US? Why would they deliver directly from China? That makes no sense. Your whole theory is ridiculous almost past the point of comprehension (it would be if this weren't poly).Originally posted by Asher
That's funny, it took them 3 weeks to ship me my laptop from China...and that was couriered, not on a container ship.
Methinks you've no clue how logistics work for consumer electronics.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by Asher
That's funny, it took them 3 weeks to ship me my laptop from China...and that was couriered, not on a container ship.
Methinks you've no clue how logistics work for consumer electronics.
You are comparing how long it took to deliver something to your door, to how long it takes to get a delivery to a store?
And 3 weeks is pretty long time even for that.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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it doesnt answer the questions, but heres an article on evolving logistics practices in the cell phone industry
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