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  • Pressure Mounts on Brown to Honour Referendum Pledge

    from the guardian

    'A hundred' Labour MPs set to call for EU referendum

    Haroon Siddique
    Friday August 24, 2007

    Gordon Brown was facing growing pressure over the EU reform treaty today amid claims that more than 100 Labour MPs would back calls for a referendum.
    Ian Davidson, the Labour MP for Glasgow South West, warned the prime minister that the party had a "clear and unequivocal manifesto commitment" to hold a UK-wide poll.

    He told Guardian Unlimited that unless the terms of the treaty were renegotiated, as he was seeking, "well above 100" Labour MPs would back calls for a national ballot.

    Mr Brown ruled out a public vote earlier this week when he insisted: "The proper way to discuss this is in the House of Commons and the House of Lords."

    But Mr Davidson insisted: "We think at the moment it's essentially a constitution and would require a referendum.


    "We are saying: 'Here are a number of changes that if accepted would probably make a referendum unnecessary.'"

    On Tuesday trade unions joined the Tories in calling for a public vote on the treaty, which they believe is substantially the same as the constitution abandoned after voters in France and the Netherlands rejected it two years ago.

    Asked how many Labour MPs had pledged their support for a referendum so far, Mr Davidson said: "We are working on the basis of there being the same sort of support as the original request for a referendum, which would put us well above a hundred."

    The Daily Mail reported today that 16 MPs had signed Commons motions calling for voters to have a say, and claimed party sources believed at least 25 more were preparing to back the demands.

    "Many people have accepted the government line that the treaty is different from the constitution but when we run through it with them they're agreeing [with us]," Mr Davidson said.

    The group of Labour MPs wants to stop the move towards a "very centralised union", and to amend the 2004 EU directive on freedom of movement, blamed for preventing the deportation of Learco Chindamo, the man who murdered the headteacher Philip Lawrence.

    Mr Davidson said: "It destroys the whole notion of freedom of movement if the result is that criminals can't be deported."

    He insisted it was realistic for the treaty to be negotiated, as Mr Brown's government had taken "a constructive and positive look at some of the policies inherited from its predecessor".

    Mr Davidson also said the dissenters were not "rebels", but he admitted that the row over the treaty had put Mr Brown in a "difficult position".

    "He has to explain to his other European leaders, in a sense, 'The bad boy did it and ran away.' He does have that difficulty that Blair lumbered him with disagreement."
    all 3 parties at the last election promised us, in their manifestos, a vote on the EU constitution. france and holland, who rejected the constitution two years ago, will let the people decide on this 'treaty'.

    hopefully this pressure from all sides will persuade the government to honour its word. i'm not holding my breath though.
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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    france and holland, who rejected the constitution two years ago, will let the people decide on this 'treaty'.


    Don't think so.

    Oh, and will just get out of it all.
    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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    • #3
      ...holland, who rejected the constitution two years ago, will let the people decide on this 'treaty'.

      I'm afraid not, our government doesn't want the risk that it will be shot down again.
      Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
      And notifying the next of kin
      Once again...

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      • #4
        i'd read that you guys were going to get another vote on it, although it doesn't surprise me to hear that you won't. after all, the 'progress' of the EU is far too important for us plebs to stand in its way.
        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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        • #5
          To be honest, I voted in favour of the Euro constitution and probably would do the same again. But I'm all for a new referendum, this is too important to be handled in politicians' back rooms.
          Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
          And notifying the next of kin
          Once again...

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          • #6
            The whole thing is a disgrace, by removing the title ofconstitution from the treaty they think that's enough to get round the objections to it.

            Typical politicians
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            • #7
              On Tuesday trade unions joined the Tories in calling for a public vote on the treaty, which they believe is substantially the same as the constitution abandoned after voters in France and the Netherlands rejected it two years ago.


              General Strike!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hueij
                To be honest, I voted in favour of the Euro constitution and probably would do the same again. But I'm all for a new referendum, this is too important to be handled in politicians' back rooms.
                i don't mind people who support the constitution, i don't even mind politicians who support it.

                what i don't understand is that if it's such a great idea, and so important, why those in powers don't want to campaign for it and try to convince people. instead they just sign up for it and offer a vote. of course, when they realise that it's extremely unpopular, they simply change a couple of words in the title and then expect people to believe it's a completely different document, to the one they promised us a say on.
                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                • #9
                  My concern is for people who just take what the Daily Mail et al say about those 'pesky foreigners' without assessing the facts. Heaven forbid we get improved employment rights or something...
                  Speaking of Erith:

                  "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                  • #10
                    Right-to-work laws

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                    • #11
                      Opinions about working laws from people who have actually done some work in their lives
                      Speaking of Erith:

                      "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the vote of confidence

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Provost Harrison
                          My concern is for people who just take what the Daily Mail et al say about those 'pesky foreigners' without assessing the facts. Heaven forbid we get improved employment rights or something...
                          if it's so great, you'd think the government would have an easy time convincing the people of the many and wondrous benefits of the constitution. they seem to be very unwilling to try, however, for some reason...
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • #14
                            I can never tell what the government wants half the time. They will play the referendum card if they don't want some of the increased employee protection and can just ignore it if they do want the treaty for other reasons. They can't really lose...
                            Speaking of Erith:

                            "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                            • #15
                              Will the Danish sink Gordon Brown?

                              A Danish domino?

                              The prime minister is thinking about calling an early election in the autumn. But he has got one serious worry: that his opponents will wreck his plans by making hay backing a popular call for a referendum on the EU Reform Treaty.

                              No, not Gordon Brown. Or perhaps I mean, not just Gordon Brown.

                              Denmark's conservative leader, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, has promised Angela Merkel that he will do his very best to avoid a referendum. They are both painfully aware that it could trigger a domino effect that might knock over Mr Brown by heating up the already pretty hot demands for such a vote in the UK.

                              After all, look at the impact the Danish No-vote on the Maastricht Treaty had on British domestic politics. It emboldened Conservative Eurosceptics and meant the treaty had a gruesome passage through Parliament that fatally undermined John Major's authority. So how difficult is it for the government in Denmark now?

                              The main opposition party, led by Neil Kinnock's daughter-in-law Helle Thorning-Schmidt, is not calling for a referendum - not yet anyway. While she is opposed, others in her Social Democratic party argue it is too good an opportunity to miss. But the nationalist Danish People's Party, which votes with the government coalition, does want a referendum, and so do the socialists.

                              But the really critical point is the call for a referendum by Naser Khader, a charismatic and very popular politician who has just formed his own new centre party, New Alliance. This Muslim politician became hugely popular during the cartoon crisis by calling on fellow members of the faith to support Danish democracy.

                              I am told the Danish prime minister wants to help Gordon Brown, but he wants to remain prime minister even more. He would also like to win an election, then hold a referendum on getting rid of the Danish Maastricht opt-outs, so they could join the euro. And we all know you can have too much of a good thing.
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