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The catch is that he wants another 5 year term as President. As I wrote in the other Pakistan thread, the whole power-sharing idea rubs me the wrong way."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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She needs someone to control the army, which has been a big player in pakistani politics even under nominally civilian regimes. This looks to me like a substantial improvement. It makes everything constitutional, and means a nominal civilian as President, and a more genuinely independent PM (ie one with an independent constituency from Musharaff)
Of course others can still run against him for president, but Bhutto's party will support him."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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The problem is exactly that the military plays too big a part in politics. They've become the dominant economic force in Pakistan, institutionalizing their power even in the absence of a military dictatorship. Throwing her support behind Perv is a fine way to perpetuate that trend."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Bhutto threw Musharraf a life vest. She didn't need to.This looks to me like a substantial improvement."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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So you really think if she hadnt made a deal with Perv, and hed lost, that the military, would just quitely accept that their time had past?Originally posted by Ramo
The problem is exactly that the military plays too big a part in politics. They've become the dominant economic force in Pakistan, institutionalizing their power even in the absence of a military dictatorship. Throwing her support behind Perv is a fine way to perpetuate that trend.
I dont think so. Fareed Zakaria, IIRC, doesnt think so. Apparently Bhutto didnt think so. This looks like a way to gradually lessen the military's influence."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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The military has become a widely unpopular force. The situation is very different from what it was like several years ago. No, I don't think that another military coup is all that viable.
Bhutto has articulated her reasons for doing this, but the reason you're citing isn't one of them from what I've read."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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What might come to pass is that Sharif successfully rides an anti-Musharraf wave, and both Perv and Benazir are out of power. I think she misread the politics here..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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since the military will still be around, she may have chosen not to articulate some things.Originally posted by Ramo
The military has become a widely unpopular force. The situation is very different from what it was like several years ago. No, I don't think that another military coup is all that viable.
Bhutto has articulated her reasons for doing this, but the reason you're citing isn't one of them from what I've read."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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She did if she wanted back in.Originally posted by Ramo
Bhutto threw Musharraf a life vest. She didn't need to.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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here is what she said on the Lehrer show:
"So we're not trying to bail out a military dictator by saying we will come there on your terms. What we are seeking is a compromise that could help bring about a stable, democratic, civilian order in Pakistan. And it's for the people of Pakistan then to vote in the party or the leaders they would like to see lead them.""A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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anythings possible, though it would be ironic for the old protege of Zia and the ISI to be leader of anti-military forces.Originally posted by Ramo
What might come to pass is that Sharif successfully rides an anti-Musharraf wave, and both Perv and Benazir are out of power. I think she misread the politics here...
In any case, from the US POV (pardon my narrow outlook) the situation as of today looks better than having the US be in the position of supporting the continuation of military rule.Last edited by lord of the mark; August 29, 2007, 13:57."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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True in the short term, anyways (since Musharraf can grease the wheels).She did if she wanted back in."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Like I was saying, I don't think that was the alternative.In any case, from the US POV (pardon my narrow outlook) the situation as of today looks better than having the US be in the position of supporting the continuation of military rule."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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