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It's true.
Not only because of the overwhelming support of the current system, but also because of the logic behind keeping up with the large army.
It makes no sense from defensive point of view, it makes no sense cost wise, it makes the least sense from the freedom point of view.
It's seen as a responsibility. It sucks but hey, what can you do about it, right? The biggest factor in it is that "I had to go through with it, so you should have to go through it as well". Some of these "patriotic" Finns think we should all do it because that's what you have to do, period. Well, if you're a patriot, then it would make sense for wanting the best possible defense, right? These same "patriots" also have these illusions about the effectiveness of this large army. It worked well back in the 40s, it works well now.
That's BS. The face of the war has changed a long time ago. "We can't defend our borders" because it's so long.. so what? If it's war, the point is not to keep the border clean, the idea is to win the fight and it won't take place on the border. The border issue will be settled when the war is over. It doesn't matter when the war is on.
So. You're not defending the border. During peace time you're defending the border, but during war time? Nope. You're defending yourself and the independency. The border issue is seconday, it doesn't define itself automatically if someone walks across with a gun.
"We can't defend all the lands if we have less soldiers". Well, we aren't supposed to do that, we're supposed to fight the enemy where it counts. So basically these are the arguments. None of them makes sense.
So you force some kids there, you don't even pay them for it, and you're supposed to thank for it, because at least you weren't sodomized in the butt. "Boy becomes a man in the service". BS. A boy becomes a man when he acts like a man, regardless where he's at. He becomes a man when he accepts the real responsibilities of a man and draft isn't one of them.
The reason why many do the service is because of the social pressure. If they don't do it, their fathers will be disappointed at them, their mothers will think they're fags, their friends say it's OK but they're still the guy who didn't go through with it. You'll carry that stigma, plus, when ever you try to get a job, it always comes up. Maybe it doesn't matter at all, but many times it actually does matter a little bit. So some go through with ti because they don't want to hassle with the recruiters outside the army. They dont' want to admit they didn't go.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have an army. I'm saying we should have a better one, based on professionals and also REAL volunteer spirit. I would have still gone, even if I didnt' have to. I liked it in there. I was sad when it was all over, figured I might go for a career there. But it isn't for everyone. So you'll spend anywhere from 6 months to a year, working for free, long days and nothing else going on. Because everyone else had to do it in the past.
Then everyone, and it's _always_ middle aged ******, cry and shout that the youth today.. blaablaablaa... when he had to... whatever! When that dude was young he was an idiot and he never grew up. What an accomplishment. These older guys, who actually are veterans etc., they're usually saying that the youth is good, they're doing well, they're smart, they're going to do just well. We have been a lot nicer to the veterans than the middle aged ******, that would be their own children. They denounced them in the 60s, 70s and 80s. They weren't allowed to talk. They were enemies of everything. They rebelled so much that in their quest for communism and socialism that they never let their fathers be proud of their war, or talk about it. They were traitors. The logic is weird, so now these same ****** are telling that the youth is all rotten, they can't even do their responsibility and would rather do something else.
OF COURSE many would rather do something else, what are you, a ****ing idiot? Is it wrong? The fact is we don't need them and they know it. We don't need 30k young people serving every year. A lot less will do just fine. Maybe they'll do even better, since volunteers are motivated and they would have bigger requirements to get into it. Hey, they could be paid as well!!!! Wow, imagine that. Being paid for doing a job.
So Finns are stupid. The reasoning is idiotic, it doesn't make us any safer, but it only costs a lot plus you're forcing generations of young men into... well I guess it coudl be called slavery in a way.
And I've talked to several privates because I was their superior and trained them. You can see that many of them don't want to be there, but you have to kick them so they'll function, it's not an excuse that you don't want to be there. But then you talk to them, individually many of them admits that they would be embarrased to quit because their father would prolly dislike them after that. Well you have a problem if some dude thinks his son is any lesser of a man because they figured army wasn't for them. But that's the reality of the situation.
We'll keep slamming our heads to the wall. Of course there's always highly motivated folks, folks with skills and all that, but we need more of them and less of the others. I advocate free thinking and not crumbling under social pressure.
Not only because of the overwhelming support of the current system, but also because of the logic behind keeping up with the large army.
It makes no sense from defensive point of view, it makes no sense cost wise, it makes the least sense from the freedom point of view.
It's seen as a responsibility. It sucks but hey, what can you do about it, right? The biggest factor in it is that "I had to go through with it, so you should have to go through it as well". Some of these "patriotic" Finns think we should all do it because that's what you have to do, period. Well, if you're a patriot, then it would make sense for wanting the best possible defense, right? These same "patriots" also have these illusions about the effectiveness of this large army. It worked well back in the 40s, it works well now.
That's BS. The face of the war has changed a long time ago. "We can't defend our borders" because it's so long.. so what? If it's war, the point is not to keep the border clean, the idea is to win the fight and it won't take place on the border. The border issue will be settled when the war is over. It doesn't matter when the war is on.
So. You're not defending the border. During peace time you're defending the border, but during war time? Nope. You're defending yourself and the independency. The border issue is seconday, it doesn't define itself automatically if someone walks across with a gun.
"We can't defend all the lands if we have less soldiers". Well, we aren't supposed to do that, we're supposed to fight the enemy where it counts. So basically these are the arguments. None of them makes sense.
So you force some kids there, you don't even pay them for it, and you're supposed to thank for it, because at least you weren't sodomized in the butt. "Boy becomes a man in the service". BS. A boy becomes a man when he acts like a man, regardless where he's at. He becomes a man when he accepts the real responsibilities of a man and draft isn't one of them.
The reason why many do the service is because of the social pressure. If they don't do it, their fathers will be disappointed at them, their mothers will think they're fags, their friends say it's OK but they're still the guy who didn't go through with it. You'll carry that stigma, plus, when ever you try to get a job, it always comes up. Maybe it doesn't matter at all, but many times it actually does matter a little bit. So some go through with ti because they don't want to hassle with the recruiters outside the army. They dont' want to admit they didn't go.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have an army. I'm saying we should have a better one, based on professionals and also REAL volunteer spirit. I would have still gone, even if I didnt' have to. I liked it in there. I was sad when it was all over, figured I might go for a career there. But it isn't for everyone. So you'll spend anywhere from 6 months to a year, working for free, long days and nothing else going on. Because everyone else had to do it in the past.
Then everyone, and it's _always_ middle aged ******, cry and shout that the youth today.. blaablaablaa... when he had to... whatever! When that dude was young he was an idiot and he never grew up. What an accomplishment. These older guys, who actually are veterans etc., they're usually saying that the youth is good, they're doing well, they're smart, they're going to do just well. We have been a lot nicer to the veterans than the middle aged ******, that would be their own children. They denounced them in the 60s, 70s and 80s. They weren't allowed to talk. They were enemies of everything. They rebelled so much that in their quest for communism and socialism that they never let their fathers be proud of their war, or talk about it. They were traitors. The logic is weird, so now these same ****** are telling that the youth is all rotten, they can't even do their responsibility and would rather do something else.
OF COURSE many would rather do something else, what are you, a ****ing idiot? Is it wrong? The fact is we don't need them and they know it. We don't need 30k young people serving every year. A lot less will do just fine. Maybe they'll do even better, since volunteers are motivated and they would have bigger requirements to get into it. Hey, they could be paid as well!!!! Wow, imagine that. Being paid for doing a job.
So Finns are stupid. The reasoning is idiotic, it doesn't make us any safer, but it only costs a lot plus you're forcing generations of young men into... well I guess it coudl be called slavery in a way.
And I've talked to several privates because I was their superior and trained them. You can see that many of them don't want to be there, but you have to kick them so they'll function, it's not an excuse that you don't want to be there. But then you talk to them, individually many of them admits that they would be embarrased to quit because their father would prolly dislike them after that. Well you have a problem if some dude thinks his son is any lesser of a man because they figured army wasn't for them. But that's the reality of the situation.
We'll keep slamming our heads to the wall. Of course there's always highly motivated folks, folks with skills and all that, but we need more of them and less of the others. I advocate free thinking and not crumbling under social pressure.
I would not want myself in a foxhole with me, is all I'm saying.
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