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  • "Sure, we torture people, but it's not as bad as they say"

    This is why you don't want to live in a country where leaders wear funny clothes:

    Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's son has said the six Bulgarian medics who were imprisoned for deliberately infecting children with HIV were tortured.

    Saif al-Islam Gaddafi told Al Jazeera TV that Libyan investigators tortured the medics with electric shocks and threatened to target their families.

    But Mr Gaddafi denied his country would face legal action for mistreating them.

    The five nurses and a Palestinian-born doctor served eight years in detention before being freed by Libya last month.

    The release was made possible by a deal struck in Tripoli on improving Libya-EU ties, following years of negotiations.

    'Negligence'

    In an interview with the Arabic news channel on Wednesday, Mr Gaddafi admitted the medics had been tortured into confessing.

    "Yes, they were tortured by electricity and they were threatened that their family members would be targeted," he said.


    Yes, they were tortured by electricity and they were threatened that their family members would be targeted
    Saif al-Islam Gaddafi

    "But a lot of what the Palestinian doctor has claimed are merely lies."

    Dr Ashraf Alhajouj, the Palestinian-born medic, told Dutch TV last month that Libyan authorities had drugged him, given him electric shocks by attaching electrodes to his genitals, and set police dogs on him.

    He also said they had tied his arms and legs to a metal bar and spun him repeatedly, like a chicken on a rotisserie.

    Mr Gaddafi also confirmed that some of the children had been infected with HIV before the medics arrived in Libya, something which international scientists say they have proven. One case was reported after their arrest.

    "There is negligence, there is a disaster that took place, there is a tragedy, but it was not deliberate," he said.

    Libyan courts had based their rulings on conflicting reports implicating the medics, he added.

    The medics have always maintained their innocence and were pardoned on their return by Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov.
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    I read a personal account of one of the victims here:
    Palestinian-born Bulgarian doctor Ashraf al-Hazouz, 37, recalls his eight-year imprisonment in Libyan jails, describing his torture at the hands of Gadhafi's thugs and the ordeals of the five nurses imprisoned with him.

    (long article, some rather disturbing details)

    If only half of this is true maybe Europe should participate next time the US bombs Libya.
    Blah

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    [/librul mode]
    One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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    • #3
      Gaddafi: The Palestinian doctor is telling lies, all lies... Except for the electrocuting his nads bit, we did that... But never spinning him around like a rotisserie chicken That would've been beyond the pale.
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #4
        Dauphin: I hate you.

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        • #5
          And people say torture doesn't work
          Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dauphin
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            [/librul mode]
            Beat me to it
            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
            -Joan Robinson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lazerus
              And people say torture doesn't work
              Eh? It got a false confession, i.e. untrue information. How would this be useful in the War on Terror?
              "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
              -Joan Robinson

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              • #8
                If the torture isn't that bad, you're not doing it right.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
                  If the torture isn't that bad, you're not doing it right.
                  Unless teh victim is a masochist.

                  Masochist: Hurt me!
                  Sadist: I won't!
                  THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                  AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                  AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                  DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                    Dauphin: I hate you.
                    Is that a general comment or because of something specific?
                    One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                    • #11
                      It's along the lines of VG's post.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                        Dauphin: I hate you.
                        You don't even try any more. Generic troll in every post.

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                          • #14
                            Yeah... I miss the days where you could actually have a meaningful discussion about Kuci's insane economics ideas. Now he just generiTroll®s with every post
                            <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
                            I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                            • #15
                              and France gives them anti-tank missiles... Yup.

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