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  • The Taliban are "defeated"!

    Straight from President Karzai's mouth:

    CAMP DAVID, Maryland (CNN) -- Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Monday that the Taliban still endanger innocent people, but they pose no significant threat either to his government or to its institutions.


    President Bush greets Afghan President Hamid Karzai at Camp David, Maryland, on Sunday.

    "It's a force that is defeated, frustrated, acting in cowardice by killing children going to school," Karzai told reporters during a joint news conference with President Bush. Karzai said he is working to root the Taliban out from their mountain hideouts.

    For his part, Bush described the Taliban, who ruled Afghanistan and harbored al Qaeda before the September 11, 2001, attacks, as "brutal coldblooded killers" with "a vision of darkness."

    Bush noted that speculation last spring that the Taliban would launch an offensive against Karzai's government was countered by a U.S., NATO and Afghan offensive. Bush said Afghanistan's 110,000 troops are being aided by 23,500 U.S. troops and 26,000 troops from other nations.


    Entire article here: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/...zai/index.html

    So it seems we (as in the NATO members that agreed to fight) should be able to bring our troops home. Surely if the Taliban "pose no significant threat either to his government or to its institutions" there is no further need for us to stay and prop him up.

    Good news. I was wrong. We were successful in Afghanistan.
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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    So it seems we (as in the NATO members that agreed to fight) should be able to bring our troops home. Surely if the Taliban "pose no significant threat either to his government or to its institutions" there is no further need for us to stay and prop him up.

    Good news. I was wrong. We were successful in Afghanistan.
    Indeed. Of course he's lying through his teeth, but I wonder what he hopes to accomplish.
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    • #3
      Yet the Taliban and al Qaeda are growing in strength and so, while they might not currently pose a threat to Karsai's govenment, they might in the future.

      We need to refocus our attention away from Iraqi Baathist (who never threatened us) back to al Qaeda and its Taliban ally.

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      • #4
        I don't care what he is hoping to accomplish. I say we take him at his word and bring the troops home.
        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Zkribbler - The Taliban are "defeated". Pretty clear, no?
          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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          • #6
            Why do you think Canada voted to invoke the defense portion of the NATO alliance, Wezil? You've been advocating leaving for a long while (and dismissive of anyone that questions you on that point) so I'm curious of your opinion.
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            • #7
              Common Wezil, stop tolling.

              He is absolutely correct in that the Taliban is not now and never will be in a position to topple his government or take over Afghanistan.

              They can sure as hell cause a lot of trouble though.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                Why do you think Canada voted to invoke the defense portion of the NATO alliance, Wezil? You've been advocating leaving for a long while (and dismissive of anyone that questions you on that point) so I'm curious of your opinion.
                B/c we were suckers. We thought an "alliance" was just that. Our "allies" interpret that differently however.
                "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  My ire would be directed toward the French and thier fellow cowards then rather than the Afghan people.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Patroklos
                    Common Wezil, stop tolling.

                    He is absolutely correct in that the Taliban is not now and never will be in a position to topple his government or take over Afghanistan.

                    They can sure as hell cause a lot of trouble though.
                    Yes, I am trolling. I find the whole issue absolutely hilarious in a black humour sort of way.

                    Karzai can't defend himself (US personal guard) much less his nation yet he comes here and tells us the Taliban is defeated.

                    You are partly correct. The Taliban will not topple his "government" so long as 10's of thousands of western troops secure Kabul. By the same token, despite all these troops Karzai does not control the countryside.
                    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc
                      My ire would be directed toward the French and thier fellow cowards then rather than the Afghan people.
                      I have no ire for the Afghani people. Unlike most in the west I don't label them "terrorists" b/c their culture is significantly different than mine. I recognize that Taliban and Afghani are one and the same.

                      I say let them be. If a medievel ****hole is what they want then let them have it.
                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wezil
                        . I recognize that Taliban and Afghani are one and the same. I say let them be.
                        Karsai and all the other members of the former Northern Alliance who now run the national government may wish to disagree with you on this point.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zkribbler


                          Karsai and all the other members of the former Northern Alliance who now run the national government may wish to disagree with you on this point.
                          They can disagree all they want. In the meantime we are chasing Pashtun tribesman (his citizens) around the mountains. "Pacifying" an area only to discover a couple days later it wasn't so pacified after all.

                          Apparently however we have succeeded. See what happens when you take a weekend away from following international news?
                          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            People in Afghanistan (well, men at least) love fighting. They have gone in for it non stop for at least a couple of thousand years.

                            They will fight whoever is available to fight - each other in the absence of any convenient foreigners.

                            For the time being President Bush seems also to like to have someone to fight so he and they are well matched.

                            Whether US voters are well advised to allow those who lead them to indulge such tastes I don't know.

                            Probably not.

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                            • #15
                              I heard on the radio this morning that a group of seventy-five odd suspected Taliban forces tried to assault a firebase on the border.

                              The attack was reported to have caused no damage to NATO forces, with 20 of their own number lost in the attempt.

                              What a pathetic showing, the Taliban are hasbeens.

                              EDIT: Found an internet source.

                              http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapc...ef=werecommend
                              Last edited by Patroklos; August 8, 2007, 10:24.
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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