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  • #61
    applying laws in an extreme fashion, can undermine support for the original purpose. One can retain the original purpose, but modify the rules used in application.

    For ex, does it have to be 1000 feet? If you changed it to 500 feet, would that make it easier to find places to live? Alternatively, should the distance be smaller in an urban area, that is typically denser?

    Should existing residences be "grandfathered" in?

    meanwhile, wrt toa law that perhaps makes sense in many cases, but causes a catch 22 in certain cases, well thats what the governors right of pardon/commutation is for.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by chegitz guevara
      The real problem with this law is it's exporting your problems to someone else. Sex offenders cannot live in Miami-Dade, so they have to move to Broward County. Thanks a lot, Miami. :MAD:
      Castro's a dick like that.
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      • #63
        meanwhile, wrt toa law that perhaps makes sense in many cases, but causes a catch 22 in certain cases, well thats what the governors right of pardon/commutation is for.


        As for obviously faulty legislation that amounts to exiling certain classes of people, that's what repealing laws is for...
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Ramo
          meanwhile, wrt toa law that perhaps makes sense in many cases, but causes a catch 22 in certain cases, well thats what the governors right of pardon/commutation is for.


          As for obviously faulty legislation that amounts to exiling certain classes of people, that's what repealing laws is for...
          If the distances were right, and the institutions you had to be a distance from were limited to a reasonable number, it wouldnt amount to "exile".

          So if this law does mean exile, and this isnt an unusual case, where are all the others who are in this position?

          The article mentions 15 folks, surely Georgia has far more registered sex offenders than that?
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          • #65
            Dunno. I would assume that there are enforcement issues. But if the only places in which sex offenders can live in Augusta are two hotels, that sounds an awful lot like exile (at least for urban areas).
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            • #66
              Hang him and God will find him a nice warm place.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by lord of the mark


                If the distances were right, and the institutions you had to be a distance from were limited to a reasonable number, it wouldnt amount to "exile".

                So if this law does mean exile, and this isnt an unusual case, where are all the others who are in this position?

                The article mentions 15 folks, surely Georgia has far more registered sex offenders than that?
                They're bad laws, period. They amount to additional punishment for a crime and do so for life.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Lancer
                  Hang him and God will find him a nice warm place.
                  Then make the DP the punishment for kiddie fiddling.
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                  • #69
                    Would if I could. That it isn't seems insane to me.
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                    • #70
                      Well it isn't, even in states with the DP.

                      You're 18. You **** up.

                      Someone dies, you get out by 40 or so and live the rest of your life as best you can. You're ignored.

                      It was sexual, you get out by 28 and then Georgia throws you in prison for another 25 for not being able to live anywhere.

                      Great laws.

                      I'm actually surprised someone hasn't sued some state into the next century yet.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by lord of the mark


                        If the distances were right, and the institutions you had to be a distance from were limited to a reasonable number, it wouldnt amount to "exile".

                        So if this law does mean exile, and this isnt an unusual case, where are all the others who are in this position?

                        The article mentions 15 folks, surely Georgia has far more registered sex offenders than that?
                        I agree with nye. There laws just can't have any reasonable effectiveness for protecting children without amounting to exile.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by notyoueither
                          I'm actually surprised someone hasn't sued some state into the next century yet.
                          It'd have to be some sort of constitutional claim, and outside of double jeopardy (which won't fly), I can't see what else it'd be. Claiming homelessness is part of a right to privacy?
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                          • #73
                            Due process, definitely.
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                            • #74
                              The guy imprisoned for life for not having an address might have a shot at double jeopardy, in my opinion.
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                              • #75
                                What sort of due process claim? Substantive due process, of course (it isn't procedural.. or at least it isn't challengeable procedural due process)... but what is he going to claim?
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