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    Obama warns over Pakistan strike
    US presidential candidate Barack Obama has said he would order military action against al-Qaeda in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistan's government.


    Mr Obama made the comments in a speech outlining his foreign policy positions.

    Pakistan's foreign ministry said any threat to act against al-Qaeda from within its territory should not be used for political point scoring.

    Earlier this month, Mr Obama's chief rival, Hillary Clinton, described him as "naive" on foreign policy.

    The attack from Mrs Clinton came after a televised debate between Democrat presidential hopefuls.

    During the debate Mr Obama said he would be willing to meet leaders of states such as Cuba, North Korea and Iran without conditions.

    'Terrible mistake'

    In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, in Washington, Mr Obama said General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president, must do more to end terrorist operations in his country.

    If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will - Barack Obama


    If not, Pakistan would risk a troop invasion and the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars of US aid during an Obama presidency, the candidate said.

    "It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005," he said, referring to reports that the US had decided not to launch a strike for fear of harming ties with Pakistan.

    "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Mr Obama said.

    The BBC's Jonathan Beale, in Washington, says such comments are clearly designed to bolster his credentials among a domestic audience.

    But a spokeswoman for Pakistan's foreign ministry, Tasnim Aslam, told the AFP news agency that talk of military action was a serious matter and political candidates and commentators should "show responsibility".

    White House spokesman Tony Snow defended Pakistan's leadership, saying it was working hard to fight al-Qaeda and Taleban fighters within its borders.

    Gen Musharraf has been a key US ally in its so-called "war on terror" since the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks.

    But US officials have publicly said recently that they believe Pakistan has let al-Qaeda and Taleban militants reorganise themselves in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

    Mr Obama also used his foreign policy speech to criticise the Bush administration's focus on al-Qaeda in Iraq, saying US President George W Bush was "confusing" the mission.

    He said Americans were more vulnerable to terrorist attacks than before the 9/11 attacks because of a war in Iraq "that should never have been authorised and should never have been waged".


    @ Obama
    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

  • #2
    Obama's timing is stupid.

    While Pakistan did feel compelled to try a policy of appeasement for awhile, they've now realized this was a mistake. They're now stepping up and are again taking on al Qaeda.

    To threaten military invasion of one of our most critical allies when they've finally gotten off the mark is counter productive.

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    • #3
      I hear Pakistan has WMD.

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      • #4
        Oh, just those nukie things...and IRBMs.

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        • #5
          The man's a loony. I can see why the liberals like him so.

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          • #6
            Luckily, Obama will never be president.
            We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
            If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
            Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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            • #7
              Why do I have a feeling that by the time I know more about the candidates none of them will seem like a good choice?

              edit: Oh, that's right, they're politicians
              "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
              -Joan Robinson

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              • #8
                I didn't know you had a vote

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                • #9
                  I predict that aneeshm will be a Obama supporter now.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    Good call.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                      I didn't know you had a vote
                      I should probably register somewhere, at some point. Though really, I suspect I won't actually want to vote anyway by the time the election comes.
                      "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                      -Joan Robinson

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                      • #12
                        It's easy to caricature, but it's good policy. If we know exactly where Zawahiri is, and whoever running Pakistan in 2009+ (Musharraf probably will be gone by then - likely Bhutto) has a truce with the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, what's wrong with a surgical strike? I don't think any of the Pres contenders (of either party) would disagree with that except maybe Kucinich and Gravel.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #13
                          Still, when one of your key allies is going through a particularly difficult time wrt teh terrorists, it's bad form to both imply that said ally is being deliberately insincere and that you'd be perfectly willing to bomb it if you thought it was in your interests.
                          THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                          AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                          AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                          DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                          • #14
                            Surgical strike ???? Yeah, those have been so effective over the years. Not just by us, the Israelis have had great success since they decided to use them



                            At some point you have to put men on the ground to kill your enemy. Flying overhead and waving nasty signs doesnt cut it. Leave the soldiering to those who have the balls to do it.
                            We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                            If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                            Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ramo
                              It's easy to caricature, but it's good policy. If we know exactly where Zawahiri is, and whoever running Pakistan in 2009+ (Musharraf probably will be gone by then - likely Bhutto) has a truce with the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, what's wrong with a surgical strike? I don't think any of the Pres contenders (of either party) would disagree with that except maybe Kucinich and Gravel.

                              You are advocating a military strike on a soverign country without specific UN authorization.

                              Noted.
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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