At which point did the Roman Empire really end?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Here's a query for you- at what point could the Roman empire be said to have died?

[Will9]

When Constantinople was sacked by the Crusaders. It was death blow despite taking much longer to fall.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Will9
When Constantinople was sacked by the Crusaders. It was death blow despite taking much longer to fall.

In 1917, when Moscow fell to the Communists.


Or alternatively, when Peter the Great moved the Russian capital from Moscow, the third Rome, with its Byzantine pretensions, to Petersburg, the window on the West. To stretch, Rome was restored when the Communists moved the capital back to Moscow. All hail Putin Imperator!

[OzzyKP]

1453

[Will9]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


In 1917, when Moscow fell to the Communists.


Or alternatively, when Peter the Great moved the Russian capital from Moscow, the third Rome, with its Byzantine pretensions, to Petersburg, the window on the West. To stretch, Rome was restored when the Communists moved the capital back to Moscow. All hail Putin Imperator!

I thought Moscow was still the Winter capital under the tsars.

[One_more_turn]

It still lives on. Hail the Imperator Czar or Caesar Putin

[Wernazuma III]

I agree with Will. The Latinic Kingdom after the conquest by the Crusaders was clearly a medieval state with no good Roman continuity anymore. And the reign of the Palaiologoi I consider a different rule that simply put itself into a tradition, a bit like the revival of "Roman Empire" in the West (I'm aware that it was quite different for obvious reasons, thus just a bit).

[Will9]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
I agree with Will.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Will9

Is this really so surprising?

[Will9]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III


Is this really so surprising?

It just happens so rarly.

[Arrian]

If you want to be contrary, you could go with 1461.

I'll go with the conventional 476.

-Arrian

[Will9]

Originally posted by Arrian
If you want to be contrary, you could go with 1461.

Is that the fall of Morea?

[Arrian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1461

The Empire of Trebizond, the last major Romano-Greek outpost falls to the Ottoman Empire under Mehmed II after a siege of 21 days.

-Arrian

[Eli]

I don't like it one bit, but the answer is 1453. The Eastern Roman Empire was The Roman Empire.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
1453

Ding ding ding ding!
Winner winner winner!

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks

Istanbul (Istanbul)
Istanbul (Istanbul)

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks

So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks

Istanbul