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    I've been re-reading the books in anticipation of the finale's release later this month (whilst I am sunning myself on my honeymoon), and I thought we should all get our final thoughts on the record.

    There is this meme on the internets that there will be tow characters killed. However, when I first read that, it was that Rowling had just finished writing a chapter where two characters died. Personally, I'd be shocked if the body count were limited to two. I'm gonna break down the important characters (ones that people care about) into categories of risk, from my point of view. Not included will be minor members of the Order, the DA, minor villians and professors, etc.

    The dead characters will come from this group...

    Voldemort: uhh, duh.

    Harry Potter: I just finished re-reading Book 2, and the traditional Dumbledore-explains-it-all-ending has me more convinced than ever that Harry is an (accidental) horcrux. I don't know how it is all gonna work out with the prophecy and whatnot, but I just don't see how Harry can't be a horcrux, unless he WAS a horcrux before Voldemort regenerated.

    Severus Snape: I firmly believe that Snape is on the side of the angels, and was compelled to kill Dumbledore due to 1) his unbreakable vow, 2) Dumbledore's orders to maintain cover, 3) Snape recognized Dumbledore was dying anyway, and 4) he wanted to save Draco from becoming a killer and from being killed himself. He will die trying to help Harry defeat Voldemort, possibly at the hands of Lucius.

    Rubeus Hagrid: Harry has lost father figures in each of the last two books, and there is no reason to expect this trend to stop. There are at least two other candidates in this subcategory (Arthur and Remus), but Hagrid is the most likely, being the least skilled in magic and the most foolhardy when it comes to danger. Also of note is that the other killed father figures both had important alchemical colors in their names (Sirius Black, Albus (Latin for White) Dumbledore), and Rubeus means Red in Latin, another important color in alchemical traditions. My suspicion is that whichever of Harry's father figures gets offed (possibly all three), it'll be at the hands of Fenrir Greyback, as all would have particular reason to tangle with the werewolf.

    Fenrir Grayback: I normally wouldn't include a character who appeared in basically one scene thus far, but Christ almighty, did he leave an impression. Because he is just so irredeemably evil and sinister, he appears to be the most likely of the Death Eaters to bite it. I think he'll be taking at least one Order member with him, though.

    ...characters I wouldn't rule out, but unlikely...

    Arthur Weasley: See Hagrid's explanation re: father figures for Harry. Has already narrowly escaped death once, and of all the members of the Order, he and Molly are probably the least skilled.

    Remus Lupin: Again, see Hagrid above. A showdown between Remus and Fenrir is practically pre-ordained, and I'm not excited about Remus' chances. But few characters have appeared as purely good as Remus, and I think Rowling has a soft spot for him, so he will probably squeak by.

    Lucius Malfoy: Just because it's gonna feel so damned good if he bites it. Especially if it is Snape who finishes him off. Or Dobby.

    Molly Weasley: See Arthur above regarding being in a bit over her head with the Order. This would make her a perfectly logical choice, but it would be so tragically sad that I doubt Rowling will go there.

    Ginny Weasley: Harry's girlfriend in peril would be a bit cliche, but that's no reason to dismiss this out-of-hand, especially given Ginny's extraordinary bravery.

    Ron Weasley: Perhaps a more likely candidate than his sister, given that he doesn't appear to be as magically skilled as her.

    Minerva McGonagall: Defacto Headmistress and leader of the Order, she has often appeared as if her health were failing her. Not sure if she'd be killed, exactly, but may suffer a natural death.

    Bellatrix Lestrange: This mad old bint (as Laz may call her) will almost certainly end up back in Azkaban, as opposed to six feet under. Her tenuous grip on sanity will be her ultimate downfall.

    Peter Pettigrew: To me, he--not Snape--is the character I most wonder about in regards to whether or not he will redeem himself. If not (as I predict), expect Lupin to track him down and send him to Azkaban. If so, expect him to be killed by Voldemort or one of the Death Eaters.

    ...not bloody likely.

    Neville Longbottom: Like Ron, but even less skilled, and even more foolhearty. Also has that iffy sort of prophecy against him. However, given his tragic history, I can't imagine Rowling killing him. It'd be like killing a puppy.

    Fred and George Weasley: No characters have embodied joy and light and hope quite as much as the twins. No way would Rowling allow that to reach a tragic end.

    Draco Malfoy: He, like Snape, has been set up for a redemption arc. Unlike Snape, there would be no need for him to die to complete it. His inability to kill Dumbledore will force him to face right and wrong, and he will do at least one decent thing in this last book.

    Herminone Granger: Quite simply, she is too smart a witch to be put into a hopeless position, and too skilled to be killed by any but Voldemort himself. That simply isn't going to happen.
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  • #2
    No prediction, just a comment: I hate the title. "Deathly", what an ugly word
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    • #3
      Is that hymimwhateverthe**** chick old enough for porn yet?
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      • #4
        That's nice, Pat.
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        • #5
          Lindsay sure is, she sure is

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          • #6
            Voldemort: uhh, duh.


            Pfft, Voldemort is going to win in the end and kids will learn that evil triumphs because good is dumb .
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            • #7
              One of my little unified theories of Harry Potter. All the pieces are there, but she just hasn't come out and said it yet. I guess the main question it answers is "why did Dumbledore trust Snape so much?" Dumbledore had a puzzling level of trust in a character who really wasn't all that trustworthy. It also might be illuminating with respect to where Snape's loyalties lie.

              The Prophecy
              Only months before Harry Potter was born, Professor Trelawney was interviewed for a job at Hogwarts. During the interview, she went into a trance and delivered the prophecy revealed in the fifth book:

              The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...


              In book five, we heard Dumbledore's account of this evening. He claims that a Death Eater was present when the prophecy began, but he was forced out of the Hog's Head before it was completed. (The Hog's Head bartender is Dumbledore's brother, Aberforth.) Voldemort did not hear beyond "as the seventh month dies." Because he hears the first part, though, he attacks Godric's Hollow fulfills the part about marking Harry as an equal. He is tricked into creating an enemy who can destroy him.

              In book six, we hear a second account of this evening, from Trelawney. She does not remember delivering the prophecy (which is true of all of her real prophecies) but she reveals that Severus Snape was eavesdropping during her job interview. It is confirmed that Snape was the one who reported the first part of the prophecy to Voldemort.

              But here's the interesting thing: there's a huge incongruity between the two accounts. If Severus Snape was forced out of the Hog's Head before the prophecy was completed, how was he still hanging around after the interview was over? If he was forced out, Trelawney would not be aware of his presence. Furthermore, isn't it a bit unlikely that Aberforth could force an extremely powerful wizard out of the building after Trelawney says a couple of sentences? Trelawney could not have known there was an eavesdropper unless she saw him herself after she came out of the trance.

              We have to come to the conclusion that Dumbledore lied. Snape heard the entire prophecy.

              But we also know that Voldemort didn't. The only way to interpret events that makes any sense is to say that Snape deliberately withheld most of the prophecy from Voldemort, in order to trick him into fulfilling it. Dumbledore and Snape invented the story that Snape was forced out so that Snape could reveal only a partial prophecy.

              With this gambit, Dumbledore and Snape laid the groundwork for Voldemort's death, several months before Harry was even born. Obviously, Dumbledore trusted Snape for that reason.

              So what does that mean for Snape in book seven? He's definitely not loyal to Voldemort. He knows there is a high probability that Harry Potter kills the Dark Lord, and that's of his own doing. He obviously doesn't have a very good relationship with the "good guys," though, either.

              I think his relationship with the "good guys" is going to be pivotal, though. This series is almost more about Harry Potter and Severus Snape than it is about Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort at this point.
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              • #8
                You know, physics is in need of a unified theory, too.
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                • #9
                  1. At the end of book 3, Dumbledore mentions the importance of Pettigrews debt to Harry. I dont think this is a red herring

                  2. Snape will not be simply evil, but his actual status will be quite complex.

                  3. James Potter was a pureblood. Harry MUST have relatives in the wizarding world, but we have not yet heard of any.


                  Wild ideas - Maybe Snape is a horcrux?


                  If Snape lied to Voldemort about the prophecy, than for the deatheaters to get the prophecy at the end of book 5 would be the death of Snape, or at least the loss of his main value to the Order. Was his concern about the prophecy expressed in book 5?
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                  • #10
                    i think the **** will hit the fan a little harder than you think, Guynemer. i'm putting money on Voldemort killing Hermoine.

                    hmm... i wonder if there are any bookies taking bets on this sort of thing.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lord of the mark
                      1. At the end of book 3, Dumbledore mentions the importance of Pettigrews debt to Harry. I dont think this is a red herring

                      2. Snape will not be simply evil, but his actual status will be quite complex.

                      3. James Potter was a pureblood. Harry MUST have relatives in the wizarding world, but we have not yet heard of any.


                      Wild ideas - Maybe Snape is a horcrux?


                      If Snape lied to Voldemort about the prophecy, than for the deatheaters to get the prophecy at the end of book 5 would be the death of Snape, or at least the loss of his main value to the Order. Was his concern about the prophecy expressed in book 5?
                      Snape lied to Voldemort in that he pretended he only knew the first part of the prophecy. Voldemort learning the whole prophecy wouldn't expose that lie in any way.
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                      • #12
                        They keep saying Snape is great at occulamancy but that no one can read minds better then Voldimort. I'm guessing Snape really is evil, that Drake does betray the Deatheaters (possibly killing Voldimort but dying in the process), Pettigrew will do something to help Harry (probably because he hates Snape so much), Hargrid does die, Ron and Hermine get hitched, Harry gets back together with Ginny after she's kidnapped or something (she'll be used as bait), and I suspect Sirus isn't really dead but trapped in that weird arch portal. Harry may very well die and be the final horcrux. After all the scar must mean something but maybe he lives after the scar being cut off his scalp or something.
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                        • #13
                          Question: Didn't Lord Moldybutt dehorcruxify in the Goblet of Fire?
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                          • #14
                            that Drake does betray the Deatheaters


                            I resent this insinuation. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a servant of the Dark Lord.
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                            • #15
                              Snape is more good than bad. Voldy dies and takes a bunch of goodies away with him, perhaps even including Harry. Ron & Hermione probably survive, marry, and become famous aurors. If not, expect a very tearful, loving goodbye as one dies in the others' arms.

                              There also a good potential that even with all the predictions and "spoilers", Rowling comes out with something that none of us expect.
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