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    By Roger Hardy
    BBC Middle East analyst

    The legal review of the case of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi has re-opened the Lockerbie affair in a dramatic fashion.

    It raises a host of awkward questions.

    Was the original trial of the former Libyan intelligence agent fatally flawed, as his lawyers maintain?

    Was the evidence contaminated by the American or British authorities?

    Was Libya implicated out of political expediency, when all along the main suspect was Iran?

    Initial suspicions

    Pan-Am 103 exploded over the little town of Lockerbie in Scotland on 21 December 1988, killing a total of 270 people.

    The initial suspicion was that Iran had exacted revenge for the shooting-down of an Iranian civil airliner over the Gulf a few months before.

    A US warship had mistakenly believed it was under attack from the plane, when in fact it contained pilgrims on their way to Mecca.

    Iran offered a $10m reward to anyone who avenged the attack.

    It looked as if the offer had been taken up by a radical Palestinian group, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command.

    The Syrian-based PFLP-GC was led by Ahmed Jibril, who had close links with both the Syrian and Iranian regimes.

    But despite these early suspicions, the focus of the investigation abruptly switched to Libya - and Megrahi was eventually convicted in 2001 at a special court in the Netherlands.

    Some believed - and still believe - this sudden switch was the result, not of convincing new forensic evidence, but of political expediency.

    After Saddam Hussein's Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the West needed the support of Syria and Iran.

    To get those two countries off the hook - so the argument ran - Libya was made the scapegoat.

    Embarrassment

    Mr Megrahi's first appeal, in 2002, was rejected. But now a Scottish review board has said the case must be re-examined.


    The fallout will be significant.

    Even before the board's ruling, Jim Swire, whose daughter died in the bombing, expressed his deep frustration to the Scotsman newspaper.

    "Scottish justice obviously played a leading part in one of the most disgraceful miscarriages of justice in history," he said.

    "The Americans played their role in the investigation and influenced the prosecution."

    Megrahi and the Libyan government will be quick to claim that he is innocent, as they have claimed all along.

    He may seek to sue either the Scottish or the British authorities for wrongful conviction.

    Libya could demand the return of the $2.7bn in compensation it paid to the victims' families - without ever accepting guilt.

    Because of the magnitude of the case, there will be considerable embarrassment in both Washington and London.

    Will we ever know who was behind the Lockerbie bombing?

    Oliver Miles, former British ambassador to Libya, has his doubts.

    "No court is likely get to the truth, now that various intelligence agencies have had the opportunity to corrupt the evidence," he told the BBC.

    The review board, however, insisted it had "found no basis for concluding that evidence in the case was fabricated by the police, the Crown, forensic scientists, or any other representatives of official bodies or government agencies".

    Almost two decades on, the Lockerbie puzzle has come back to haunt those originally tasked with solving it.


  • #2
    Well, the connection with Iran is plausible.

    What about the timing of the "abrupt switch to Lybia" and Saddam's invasion of Kuwait - the alleged reason for the switch? The plane went down in Dec of 1988. Saddam invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990. When was the "switch to Lybia" made?

    -Arrian
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    • #3
      Incidently, is it out of the question that Lybian agents carried out the attack at the behest of Iran?

      edit: some info from wiki:

      Claims of responsibility
      According to a CIA analysis dated December 22, 1988, several groups were quick to claim responsibility in telephone calls in the United States and Europe:

      A male caller claimed that a group called the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution had destroyed the plane in retaliation for the U.S. shootdown of an Iranian passenger airliner the previous July.
      A caller claiming to represent the Islamic Jihad organization told ABC News in New York that the group had planted the bomb to commemorate Christmas.
      The Ulster Defense League allegedly issued a telephonic claim.
      Another anonymous caller claimed the plane had been downed by Mossad, the Israeli Intelligence service.
      After finishing this list, the author stated, "We consider the claims from the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution as the most credible one received so far". The analysis concluded, "We cannot assign responsibility for this tragedy to any terrorist group at this time. We anticipate that, as often happens, many groups will seek to claim credit".[13][14]
      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arrian
        Incidently, is it out of the question that Lybian agents carried out the attack at the behest of Iran?
        think Sunni, leftwing Muammar Gaddaafi and his Amazon bodyguards have ever been favourites of the mad Shi'ite mullahs.


        My money's still on Syria, Iran and the PFLP-GC.

        Nezar Hindawi:

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arrian
          Incidently, is it out of the question that Lybian agents carried out the attack at the behest of Iran?


          Claims of responsibility
          According to a CIA analysis dated December 22, 1988, several groups were quick to claim responsibility in telephone calls in the United States and Europe:

          A male caller claimed that a group called the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution had destroyed the plane in retaliation for the U.S. shootdown of an Iranian passenger airliner the previous July.
          A caller claiming to represent the Islamic Jihad organization told ABC News in New York that the group had planted the bomb to commemorate Christmas.
          The Ulster Defense League allegedly issued a telephonic claim.
          Another anonymous caller claimed the plane had been downed by Mossad, the Israeli Intelligence service.
          After finishing this list, the author stated, "We consider the claims from the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution as the most credible one received so far". The analysis concluded, "We cannot assign responsibility for this tragedy to any terrorist group at this time. We anticipate that, as often happens, many groups will seek to claim credit".[13][14]

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          "No I'm the bomber"
          "I'm the bomber and so is my wife"

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          • #6
            You left out "the JOOS did it!"



            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by molly bloom


              think Sunni, leftwing Muammar Gaddaafi and his Amazon bodyguards have ever been favourites of the mad Shi'ite mullahs.


              My money's still on Syria, Iran and the PFLP-GC.

              Nezar Hindawi:

              http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2478505.stm
              If Iran can make common cause with Baathist secularists in Syria, (nominally twelver Shiite, but thats a distortion of Allawism, apparently) and with fundamentalist Sunnis in Hamas, why is it so unlikely that Qaddafis confused amalgam of Nasserism and Sunnism would be such a problem?
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              • #8
                The main evidence against the Lybians was a t-shirt found on the ground in Lockerbie that was supposedly bought in Malta by said agent. That has never struck me as conclusive proof.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lord of the mark


                  If Iran can make common cause with Baathist secularists in Syria, (nominally twelver Shiite, but thats a distortion of Allawism, apparently) and with fundamentalist Sunnis in Hamas, why is it so unlikely that Qaddafis confused amalgam of Nasserism and Sunnism would be such a problem?
                  Because unlike Assad and his Alaouite brethren he isn't in a minority in his country and he has oil revenues.

                  He's also a very loose cannon.

                  Assad and Syria were, unlike Saddam and Iraq, very much in the pocket of the Soviet Union and opposed to Iraq's regime, who were in turn enemies of the Iranian regime.

                  Hamas (and Hezbollah) gives Iran influence to use against secular leftists in Lebanon and Palestine.

                  Admittedly if Iran can trade covertly with the Great Satan and Mini Satan they can work (theoretically) with anyone.


                  Has consistency ever been a virtue in the tangled skeins of Middle East/Near East politics ?
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                  • #10
                    So now that it is "politically expedient" to think it is Iran..........
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PLATO
                      So now that it is "politically expedient" to think it is Iran..........
                      Iran/Syria have been suspected for years, since the downing of the Iranian airliner out of Bandar Abbas by the U.S.S. Vincennes occurred only a few months earlier:

                      An American naval warship patrolling in the Persian Gulf has shot down an Iranian passenger jet after apparently mistaking it for an F-14 fighter.
                      All those on board the airliner - almost 300 people - are believed dead.

                      The plane, an Airbus A300, was making a routine flight from Bandar Abbas, in Iran, to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

                      The USS Vincennes had tracked the plane electronically and warned it to keep away. When it did not the ship fired two surface-to-air missiles, at least one of which hit the airliner.
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                      Nezar Hindawi's attempt to blow up an El Al airliner out of Great Britain in 1986 would seem to have had explicit official Syrian backing:

                      Following their expulsion the Syrian authorities admitted Mr Hindawi was carrying a Syrian passport in a false name and that two separate visa applications had official support.
                      It was also admitted that he met the ambassador immediately after the bomb's discovery and he then stayed in accommodation belonging to a member of the Syrian Embassy.

                      Syria responded to their expulsion by cutting all links with Britain, including closing airspace and sea ports to British planes and ships.

                      The expulsion of the Syrian Embassy official was the first time an ambassador had ever been removed for being involved in criminal activities.
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                      Jim Swire on the Iran-Syria link to Lockerbie:

                      Q. Do you think it is true that Iran paid the Syrians to carry out the bombing?

                      A. I believe so. After the shooting down of an Iranian airliner by the U.S. cruiser Vincennes in 1988, Tehran Radio broadcast a vitriolic warning that the skies would rain blood. I know that experts at the International Air Transport Association in Montreal concluded that Iran would arrange for a revenge attack on an American airliner, the final trigger being the international failure to chastise the United States for the shooting down.

                      - Q. Why do you think that Western governments are trying to protect Syria? Because of the Middle East peace process?

                      A. Yes. Some people have said to me, "Don't you think you ought to pipe down, because you might upset the efforts to make peace in the Middle East?" My answer to that is that a peace founded on a fallacy won't last.

                      Q. You saw Mr. Gadhafi two years ago. Do you have any lasting impressions?

                      A. You will remember that he lost his adopted daughter in the American bombing raid on Tripoli. We were thus able to discuss at the human level the consequences of the indiscriminate use of violence. He promised to put up a picture of my daughter next to his daughter in the rather macabre museum they maintain in Tripoli in his wrecked house. He kept his promise and several people have told me the pictures are still there with a motto in Arabic, "The result of indiscriminate violence is the death of innocent people."

                      Flora Swire was one of the 270 people killed in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, five years ago this month. Since her death, her father, Jim Swire, a British physician, has dedicated much time, as spokesman for the families of the British victims, to discovering who was responsible. He discussed the subject with Barry James of the International Herald Tribune.



                      Syria and the export of terror:

                      In late 1986 U.S. News & World Report stated that since October 1983, when Israel withdrew from Beirut, large numbers of international terrorists known to Western intelligence sources have turned up in Damascus. These include members of radical Palestinian and Lebanese terrorist groups, which depended on Syria for refuge, logistical, and financial support, as well as other freelance terrorists. Other sources report that a number of West European terrorists, including members of the Red Army Faction (also known as Baader Meinhof), and the Action Directe, as well as the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA), the Japanese Red Army, the Kurdish Labor Party, the Pakistani Az Zulfikar, the Tamil United Liberation Front of Sri Lanka, the Moro National Liberation Front for the Philippines, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Oman, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Somalia, and the Eritrean Liberation Front, have also received training in Syrian camps or in Syrian-controlled areas in Lebanon. Furthermore, the Lebanese Armed Revolutionary Faction (LARF) was based in the Lebanese village of Qubayat, within the area of Syrian control. Syria also permitted Iran to operate training camps in eastern Lebanon for the Shia Hizballah (the Party of God) organization.

                      Syria's goal was to employ as surrogates terrorists whose operations left few traces to Syria. In June 1986 the Washington Post reported that Middle East analysts had noted three distinct types of relationships between Syria's intelligence and security services and terrorist groups. In the first type of relationship, however, there was direct Syrian involvement, because Syrian intelligence created new radical Palestinian factions, such as As Saiqa, which were, in effect, integrated components of the Syrian armed forces and hence direct Syrian agents. The radical Palestinian Abu Musa group, which was almost totally dependent on Syria, was another example of such a relationship. In the other two types of relationships, Syria used terrorists as surrogates to avoid direct blame. In the second relationship, Syria collaborated with and provided logistical and other support to terrorist groups that maintained independent organizational identities, but were directed by Syrian intelligence, which formulated general guidelines as to targets. Reportedly, Abu Nidal's Fatah--Revolutionary Council and the Lebanese Armed Revolutionary Faction (LARF) were examples of such collaboration. The third relationship involved selection of freelance or "sleeper" terrorists, mainly Palestinians and Jordanians, to carry out a specific operation. The convicted Lebanese assassin of Bashir Jumayyil and Nizar Hindawi and his half-brother Ahmad Hasi, convicted in 1986 of trying to blow up an Israeli commercial airliner in London and of bombing the German-Arab Friendship Society office in West Berlin, respectively, were listed as examples of this type of relationship.
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                      • #12
                        Part of the reason that the Syria connection wasn't delved into to deeply is that there was some evidence that the bomb was slipped aboard exploiting a CIA mission.

                        The Chicago Reader had a big expose about it back around the time of the Gulf War.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #13
                          Its nice to know that my belief that Western democratic states behave in the international stage like any other regime is getting yet another wonderful piece of evidence.
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                          • #14
                            You're so ****ing lame...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                              You're so ****ing lame...
                              Considering the source, still more good news. You are just making my day Potemkin.
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