French espionage in New Zealand - 1985

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Check your own history first...............

France has one of the proudest military traditions of any nation on Earth.

[Drake Tungsten]

The new big thing on the web is all these sites with names like "I Hate France," with supposed datelines of French military history, supposedly proving how the French are total cowards...

Well, I'm going to tell you guys something you probably don't want to hear: these sites are total bull****, the notion that the French are cowards is total bull****, and anybody who knows anything about European military history knows damn well that over the past thousand years, the French have the most glorious military history in Europe, maybe the world.

http://www.exile.ru/2003-October-02/war_nerd.html

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Nugog

[Drake Tungsten]

Laugh all you want. You're just showing that you're ignorant in addition to being a sheep-shagging *****.

[Nugog]

[Dauphin]

France has a proud military tradition.

http://www.allstates-flag.com/fotw/flags/fr_mon%5Er.html#whi

[I]n 1690 at Fleurus, the French infantry was subjected to some 'friendly fire' and thereafter it was decided that all regimental flags would have a white 'scarf' hanging from the top of the staff.

[Blake]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Check your own history first...............

France has one of the proudest military traditions of any nation on Earth.

New Zealand, OTOH, has no military tradition. You're the most embarassingly ****less member of the Commonwealth.

Which definitely explains why France decided to pick on New Zealand .

[Blake]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
We'll do whatever we want in your territorial waters. You Kiwis don't have the balls to stand up to anyone.

We told USA to GTFO with their nuclear warships, who exactly do we need to stand up to?

As long as we don't do something so bad that Australia will jump in to protect the honor of its little sister, we're untouchable.

France is afraid of Australia .

[Drake Tungsten]

Which definitely explains why France decided to pick on New Zealand

We didn't "pick on" New Zealand. We were stopping Greenpeace from interfering with a French nuclear test. The Kiwis were just dumb enough to let Greenpeace use their country as a base, thinking France wouldn't dare mess with mighty NZ. You were wrong.

France is afraid of Australia

Damn straight. Aussies are as tough as Kiwis are weak.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Patroklos
So you think the Japenese sailed to the Arctic and purposely closed a GP vessel to within collision distance? For what purpose.

Simple fact is one side had no business in the area except to harrass and hinder the work of the other. If you can think of one reason the Japanese would close the GP and purposely ram them instead of doing what would get them paid, please do tell.

Easy. You've got two parties, both convinced that they are morally right, and both determined to stand their ground. That results in what is effectively a game of chicken with big ships, both pushing to the edge.

I'm not buying the "purposely ram" angle. The damage is too slight for that. It's a nudge/scrape, not a ramming manoeuvre.

[Patroklos]

You've got two parties, both convinced that they are morally right, and both determined to stand their ground.

Except for the Japanese to stand their ground they just have to continue what they are doing which is slowly but surely cutting holes in the ocean.

For GP to stand their ground they have to purposefully interrupt the lawful work of another vessel by unnecessarily and purposefully closing them with no other purpose than to try and force them to maneuver by deliberately putting both in dangerous maneuvering situations (like not following Law of the Sea procedures).

And the damage is trivial, we don't know the speeds or more importantly the relative speeds during the collision. I have been in a collision at sea (I didn't have the deck, but I saw and felt the aftermath) and the damage wasn't catastrophic. Wouldn't suprise me if the GP only wanted to rub them, would be harder to spin if they killed people or otherwise seriously damaged the ship. Though if the cause requires it...

Again Laz, who had the motivation to put the ships in any situation that could result in this outcome? What reason would the GP even have to overtake the Japanese vessel in the first place? In unrestricted international waters you never close within 2 NAUTICAL MILES anyway. I always tried to make it a least four because the captain would get pissed if we passed closer, and if I could eight so Iwouldn't have to report the ship in the first place.

At the best GP is criminally incompetent, worst attempted murderers.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

That's hysterical hyperbole.

Except for the Japanese to stand their ground they just have to continue what they are doing which is slowly but surely cutting holes in the ocean.

Or continue pursuit of a moving target regardless of whether that involves cutting across the path of another vessel.

[Patroklos]

Or continue pursuit of a moving target regardless of whether that involves cutting across the path of another vessel.

Perhaps you don't understand the concepts of overtaking and stand on/give way. Understandable, why would you?

Do you have anything else to add?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

What was the result of the criminal or civil case subsequently pursued in the aftermath?