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    Tory MP Quentin Davies has defected to Labour, "delighting" new leader and prime minister-in-waiting Gordon Brown.
    The MP for Grantham and Stamford made his decision public in a letter to Conservative leader David Cameron, with whom he has long been at odds.

    He wrote that the party seemed "to have ceased collectively to believe in anything, or to stand for anything".

    But Lincolnshire County Council's Tory leader Martin Hill called the defection an "act of treachery and betrayal".

    It comes the day before Mr Brown takes over as prime minister from Tony Blair.

    'No bedrock'

    Mr Davies, a pro-European, voted for former chancellor Ken Clarke in the Tory leadership contest which Mr Cameron won in 2005.

    In his letter, he wrote: "Under your leadership the Conservative Party appears to me to have ceased collectively to believe in anything, or to stand for anything.

    "It has no bedrock. It exists on shifting sands. A sense of mission has been replaced by a PR agenda."

    Mr Davies added: "Although you have many positive qualities you have three, superficiality, unreliability and an apparent lack of any clear convictions, which in my view ought to exclude you from the position of national leadership to which you aspire and which it is the presumed purpose of the Conservative Party to achieve.

    "Believing that as I do, I clearly cannot honestly remain in the party. I do not intend to leave public life."

    Mr Davies said he had found himself increasingly "naturally in agreement" with the Labour Party.

    He praised Mr Brown as "a leader I have always greatly admired, who I believe is entirely straightforward, and who has a towering record, and a clear vision for the future of our country which I fully share".

    Mr Brown said: "Quentin Davies is a senior parliamentarian and he commands respect on all sides for his expertise and his dedication to public service, and I welcome him to the new Labour Party."

    'Slap in face'

    But Mr Hill said: "I think it's a slap in the face for all of those people who supported and went round for him.

    "I feel very strongly, I don't approve of politicians who stand under one flag and then change to another flag for their own convenience. It is an act of treachery and betrayal, frankly."

    David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said he was "extremely surprised" at the news.

    Sir Nicholas Winterton, Conservative MP for Macclesfield, called for Mr Davies to resign his seat, adding: "All I say is 'good riddance'."

    Tory peer Lord Tebbit said: "This defection will raise the average standard of members on the Conservative side and lower it on the Labour side."

    Shadow industry secretary Alan Duncan said Mr Davies was "not socially liberal" and against "a changed Conservative Party".

    He added: "And basically he's quite grand and old fashioned, and I'm surprised that he finds that the Labour Party will offer him a happy home for those attitudes."

    Last year, Mr Davies called Mr Cameron's decision to vote for an immediate inquiry into the Iraq war "absolutely crazy".

    He also said the party risked looking like "dishonest double-glazing merchants" over plans to withdraw from the European People's Party group in the European Parliament.

    The 63-year-old is a former diplomat and has been shadow Northern Ireland secretary and shadow defence secretary. He became an MP in 1987.
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  • #2
    I'm loving watching Paxman vs Davies on Newsnight at the moment.
    Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
    -Richard Dawkins

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    • #3
      I definitely prefer "believe in nothing" Clinton over "I have nothing to offer but belief" Bush.
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      • #4
        THEY MADE YOU A MOD?!
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          Well he is the only one who posts in the forum, who else would they pick?

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          • #6
            So these people believe in nothing? Uh-oh. Are they going to cut off our Johnsons? Or pee on our rugs?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Provost Harrison
              THEY MADE YOU A MOD?!
              His rocker days are over.
              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dauphin
                His rocker days are over.
                that probably wont stop him from smacking me around every chance he gets, however.



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                • #9
                  i think a belief in nothing is infinitely preferable to what gordon brown believes in...
                  "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                  "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by C0ckney
                    i think a belief in nothing is infinitely preferable to what gordon brown believes in...
                    Which is what, exactly? Except 'prudence'. The man hides away on every important issue except taxing the socks off us.

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                    • #11
                      tax and spend, big government, the nanny state etc. etc.
                      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                      • #12
                        The point in the OP is basically correct - Cameron's Tories do stand for nothing - but that is a reflection of contemporary managerial politics in the UK generally. I suspect that if Labour really stood for anything themselves they wouldn't be seeking a 'mission', and an air of authority at home, by fighting so many wars abroad.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by C0ckney
                          tax and spend, big government, the nanny state etc. etc.
                          Previous Tory governments liked to strike postures against public spending, but I think you'll find they never actually reduced it. I don't recall detailed pledges from Cameron to either reduce spending or state interference.

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                          • #14
                            I have hopes for Brown. He could be all substance and no style- a chairman PM in the style of Attlee (albeit nowhere near as radical a reformer).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Provost Harrison
                              THEY MADE YOU A MOD?!
                              Ever heard the theory about a bunch of monkeys writing "Hamlet" if given infinite time?
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