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  • You thought American schools were violent? Then see this......

    While looking up information about CBSE schools in the Middle East, I came across these rather disturbing articles about the state of school violence in Saudi Arabia.

    Khaleej Times


    Violence in Saudi Arabia schools on the rise
    From Habib Shaikh (Our correspondent)

    1 June 2007



    JEDDAH — Violence in schools is a growing problem in Saudi Arabia and news about pupils attacking teachers feature prominently in the local media.

    An English teacher was recently filmed and photographed being beaten black and blue until he fell unconscious after refusing to increase his pupils’ examination marks.

    Another schoolteacher had a gun put to his head and was forced to helplessly watch his car being torched after reporting two of his pupils joyriding outside the school where he teaches.

    Teachers in the kingdom are horrified by what is happening and call on the authorities to provide them with protection.

    A recent study conducted by two students under the supervision of Khadija Kaj Itani, an assistant professor at Effat College, showed that aggressive behaviour is present at both intermediate and secondary schools, regardless of whether the schools are government-run, private or international.

    The survey also showed that international schools tend to be the most violent, followed by government schools and then private schools. Victims include fellow pupils, schoolteachers, administration personnel, security guards and tea boys.

    The study, which was conducted in Jeddah, added that in smaller towns and villages, violence tends to stem from tribal differences. Itani expressed concern at the findings and said that if the material taught at schools is beyond the grasp of pupils then this can cause them to react violently.

    “Pupils in this day and age are strong but unwise. They can react violently especially when their parents play a minimal role in their lives,” he said.

    Itani added that children copy their parents. “If parents stop yelling then children will also. The parenting style must teach children how to behave well with other people and how to become acceptable members of society. Teachers should also become more understanding of opposing views and open channels of communication with them,” she said.

    According to her, low self-esteem and jealousy are also contributing factors. “The type of media that children, especially teenagers, are exposed to affects their behaviour. From an early age, children are exposed to a lot of violence,” she said and added that this type of exposure messes up children’s minds and emotions.

    Itani said that schoolchildren have too much time on their hands. “We can solve this problem by more cooperation between home and school. It is important to teach children from an early age that their behaviour shouldn’t violate the rights of others. They need to be told that they shouldn’t damage the property of others and harm other people,” she added.

    Muhammad Al Mangari, manager of student activity at the Education Department in Jeddah, said that high school pupils are more aggressive than primary and intermediate pupils.

    “They organise themselves into gangs. These gangs tend to share their thoughts and feelings and are proud of their behaviour,” he said, and added that pupils are known to be vocally abusive and use knives, brass knuckles and pepper sprays in fights.

    “It is hard for staff to check whether students are carrying weapons into schools. I think the problem of violence in schools may increase unless the authorities take an interest in the issue and set up a strict penal system,” he said.

    Muhammad Rajab, a 16-year-old student from a private high school in Jeddah, said most pupils in his school are extremely spoiled coming from privileged backgrounds. “They generally don’t listen to teachers because of this. They don’t like being told what to do,” he said, and added, “I remember a pupil who beat up a teacher because he told him not to cheat in exams.”

    Rajab said that teachers need to also change their style and behave professionally. “Our supervisors would sometimes take off their Igals (the black ring worn by Saudi men over their headscarves) and beat pupils who don’t go to class,” he added.

    Another high school pupil felt that the problem of violence in schools will remain as long as teachers continue to beat kids. “To save face and to prove that they are stronger, pupils naturally react aggressively. What goes around comes around,” he added.
    Pepper spray? Brass knuckles? Knives?

    And all this by students? What in God's name is the world coming to?

    It's even more disturbing that this is happening in a society as "traditional" as SA. If it were happening in a decadent place, I wouldn't have minded so much.

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    Boring.
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    • #3
      For once, I sympathise with the Saudis. WTF has gotten into the kids?

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      • #4
        Tea boys?

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        • #5
          Why not include where the school was in the title of your thread?
          Im sure everyone had guessed it would be islamic anyway

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          • #6
            Originally posted by varwnos
            Why not include where the school was in the title of your thread?
            Im sure everyone had guessed it would be islamic anyway
            This has nothing to do with Islam. This stuff is a problem worldwide. School violence is rising even in India, based on anecdotal evidence, It's worrying that that can happen even in a society like SA.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kuken
              Tea boys?
              The servant boys who work there preparing tea and stuff like that for the management.

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              • #8
                Shouldn't they be in school?

                Anyway, I think the main problem is that these kids are spoiled. Throw in some tribal/Arab knife culture stuff too and this is what you get.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kuken

                  Shouldn't they be in school?
                  They should be, but they're usually too poor, and can't afford it. Otherwise, why would they work there?

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                  • #10
                    Maybe a solution would be to arm t-boys with more lethal weapons. Surely the rich kids would not stand a chance against them.

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                    • #11
                      saudis are violent pyschos

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                      • #12
                        Well having thought of all 3 different threads dealing with rising violence and lack of purpose among adolescents, I've come to this conclusion.

                        This is not a new problem.

                        There are always people in society who are more aggressive and violent. The same more violent people also tend to come from more unfortunate areas and worse socio-economic conditions.

                        That is simply because "classic" formal and unformal education in high-socio-economic educations prevents kids from fulfilling their violent urges in a physical form, and instead they channel it to different things like politics, statesmenship and law-practice or what ever.


                        So what about the more agressive types, or the lower social status "brutes"?

                        Well until the very recent invention of public schooling, free education, juvenile courts and so on - these people simply wouldn't come in contact with the upper side of society.

                        The middle class would try to stick to the upper class, while children who were from the poorer classes simply weren't there.

                        They were stealing on the streets, or working in a mine or what ever.

                        So schools were filled with middle class, and if anyone misbehaved he was thrown out to join the violence on the streets.


                        Now this doesn't happen - the 'commoners' and the middle class and even some upper class all live together, share a join culture etc.

                        So there's suddenly "new" violence. Only it isn't new - it was just below the radar.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sirotnikov
                          Well having thought of all 3 different threads dealing with rising violence and lack of purpose among adolescents, I've come to this conclusion.

                          This is not a new problem.

                          There are always people in society who are more aggressive and violent. The same more violent people also tend to come from more unfortunate areas and worse socio-economic conditions.

                          That is simply because "classic" formal and unformal education in high-socio-economic educations prevents kids from fulfilling their violent urges in a physical form, and instead they channel it to different things like politics, statesmenship and law-practice or what ever.


                          So what about the more agressive types, or the lower social status "brutes"?

                          Well until the very recent invention of public schooling, free education, juvenile courts and so on - these people simply wouldn't come in contact with the upper side of society.

                          The middle class would try to stick to the upper class, while children who were from the poorer classes simply weren't there.

                          They were stealing on the streets, or working in a mine or what ever.

                          So schools were filled with middle class, and if anyone misbehaved he was thrown out to join the violence on the streets.


                          Now this doesn't happen - the 'commoners' and the middle class and even some upper class all live together, share a join culture etc.

                          So there's suddenly "new" violence. Only it isn't new - it was just below the radar.
                          There's an intriguing historical perspective on this in the Indian context.

                          Kids, of whatever caste, would begin to do their father's work in the guild when they were young. They would be raised in a family and community culture revolving around the caste's profession. So these problems were mostly minimised, or non-existent, as there was no such thing as "adolescence", and everyone within the group came from roughly the same socio-economic level.

                          It's quite interesting how the caste system took away many small or medium sized problems and created one big huge one in their place.

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                          • #14
                            Charge them with the crimes they've commited then throw the book at them. The Saudis are soft on crime when it suits them but are totally willing to execute Christians who dear have a prayer meeting in a private home because Saudi law says anyone practicing any religion other then their twisted version is Islam is a capital offense.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by aneeshm


                              This has nothing to do with Islam. This stuff is a problem worldwide. School violence is rising even in India, based on anecdotal evidence, It's worrying that that can happen even in a society like SA.
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