Islam and extraterritorial loyalties

[aneeshm]

Those 150 votes are cast by those English-educated Muslims who have internet access - effectively, the elite of their community. If this were a poll conducted on the street, 150 would be too small a number. But even 10% of 150, when that 150 is an elite, is a cause for concern.

[Colon™]

People must be dying to hire you as a statistician.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by aneeshm
Those 150 votes are cast by those English-educated Muslims who have internet access - effectively, the elite of their community. If this were a poll conducted on the street, 150 would be too small a number. But even 10% of 150, when that 150 is an elite, is a cause for concern.

Go skim an intro stat textbook and get back to me.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Colon™
People must be dying to hire you as a statistician.

Hardly, but you dont need to be a professional statistician to see problems here. I want to know the ages of those educated english muslims. People do not even know their own opinions, or flat out lie in polls constantly. The sample size is worthless, nor can we even confirm that these are all "educated adults"-they sound like kids to me.

One explination? Tech savy youth, not "educated" elite at all, mostly kids and very young adults who feel "empowered" or "cool" by identifying with their religion first. When push comes to shove and their religion imposes any sort of actual hard ship, they would drop it like a rock. They don't actually believe these views themselves.

I'd like to see the other sort of threads and discussion common on that forum and the level of discussion, and sorts of discussion on other topics.

*slight shrug* If you want to make a case most muslims are violent blood thirsty animals, I'd be open to the argument, but I need much stronger evidence, then this.

[Colon™]

Where's Provost? I want him to know other people have worse sarcasm detectors than I do.

[Vesayen]

That certainly was sarcasm, but it sounded like you agreed with the original poster, that this information was somehow valid or useful.

[aneeshm]

@ Vesayen

I admit that that's mostly true - I doubt, for instance, if any of the great "devout" girls who vote there actually wear the Hijab - but it's the attitudes that worry me. Even if it's one in a hundred who thinks like this, that one is a person who can be swayed by non-Indian co-religionists into taking part in anti-national activities.

For instance, the organisation called SIMI (The Students' Islamic Movement of India) started out fine and moderate, but slid into extremism, to the point where they started providing logistical support to terrorists. These attitudes, even if shared only by one in a hundred, can lead to SIMI-like problems.

[Vesayen]

If these are really kids, these attitudes are not going to hold up as they age. Especially if they really ARE wealthy, they wont be disatisfied and want to change the status quo, when they get older. Most of the angry muslims in the world are angry over their poverty and then, the imams capitalize on that anger and focus it against non muslims, and the west.

[DinoDoc]

FFS, why don't you just bump your old threads aneeshm? They can all be summarized as "Islam/Christianity bad! Hinduism good!"

[DaShi]

If I lived in India, religion would be a higher priority for me too. Especially since it seems to play such an important role in social status there.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Vesayen
If these are really kids, these attitudes are not going to hold up as they age. Especially if they really ARE wealthy, they wont be disatisfied and want to change the status quo, when they get older. Most of the angry muslims in the world are angry over their poverty and then, the imams capitalize on that anger and focus it against non muslims, and the west.

Even if we assume that they're all children (which I know isn't the case, but I'm assuming it for the sake of discussion), and that only one percent of them retain their opinions, and everyone else discards them, that leaves 650,000 people who are willing to provide some sort of support to SIMI-like anti-national organisations.

[Colon™]

650,000 must be doable to put in internment camps.

[Vesayen]

What is your evidence that 1% of them, has, and will act on ideas which will hurt your country? Where are you getting 650,000 from?

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Vesayen
What is your evidence that 1% of them, has, and will act on ideas which will hurt your country? Where are you getting 650,000 from?

I just gave you the reasons for thinking that there is a high chance of such a 650,000 existing.

[aneeshm]

SIMI itself had/has 20,000 members. (No source cited)

The founder has disowned it, by the way.