Should Homosexuals Adopt or Access IVF?

[Bkeela]

The Victorian Law Reform Commission of Australia has recommended changes that would allow gays to adopt and lesbians to access IVF treatment.

Do you think this is right or wrong?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/NATIONAL/More-rights-for-gay-parents-says-report/2007/06/07/1181089206313.html

[Guynemer]

Frankly, I can't believe there is still a debate about this in year 2007.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Frankly, I can't believe there is still a debate about this in year 2007.

QFT.

[Frozzy]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Frankly, I can't believe there is still a debate about this in year 2007.

Yes, I thought that little revolt had been quashed.

[Bkeela]

I'm struggling to find justification for such a change.

I can't escape the idea that the optimal environment for children is not just to have male and female role models, but to have a MUMMY and DADDY. And since adoption and IVF have not only the luxury, but the duty to ensure an optimal environment, how can anything less than an ideal be accepted?

At the very least, a child could suffer the stigma of having gay parents, because the wider community most certainly isn't as liberal minded as this forum might be.

As for IVF - I can't see how this can be justified since the world is grossly overpopulated as it is.

Can you not believe there is debate about this because you have gay friends and therefore have trouble seeing the issue objectively?

[Frozzy]

I can't escape the idea that the optimal environment for children is not just to have male and female role models, but to have a MUMMY and DADDY.

It's no different than giving custody of children predominantly to mothers in the event of divorce.

[Kuciwalker]

At the very least, a child could suffer the stigma of having gay parents, because the wider community most certainly isn't as liberal minded as this forum might be.

This is an incredibly stupid argument.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Originally posted by Bkeela
I'm struggling to find justification for such a change.

I can't escape the idea that the optimal environment for children is not just to have male and female role models, but to have a MUMMY and DADDY. And since adoption and IVF have not only the luxury, but the duty to ensure an optimal environment, how can anything less than an ideal be accepted?

In case you haven't noticed, the governments of the world have other priorities besides ensuring an 'optimal environment' for the raising of children.*



* Unless there is an upcoming election.

[Bkeela]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

At the very least, a child could suffer the stigma of having gay parents, because the wider community most certainly isn't as liberal minded as this forum might be.

This is an incredibly stupid argument.

Explain why or else increase your post count in another thread.

[Kuciwalker]

You're reinforcing the negative attitudes you claim to oppose.

[Kuciwalker]

Frankly your posts read like you're a closet homophobe.

[Kuciwalker]

Black kids shouldn't be sent to white schools, since they'd probably be picked on.

[Space05us]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

At the very least, a child could suffer the stigma of having gay parents, because the wider community most certainly isn't as liberal minded as this forum might be.

This is an incredibly stupid argument.

Not really, when you consider children, for the most part, strive to be accepted by their peers. Also there does exist, I would reason, the same number of people that believe homosexuality is satan on earth as there exist people that believe it is their birth-right to choose their sexuality. Everyone else couldn't really care since they know how to exist in harmony with their fellow man.

In the end it's really the person that decides how their experiences in life effect them. A child raised by two gay people has the power to choose how that effects them, they will certainly face different challenges than a child raised by a woman and a man, but ultimately it is up to them.


Anyway, wtf is IVF? (I'll go back and read the first post now )

[Kuciwalker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IVF

[Space05us]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IVF

Yar, got it after reading the first paragraph of the article. I thought at first it was some Aussie social program like welfare.