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    Gay Marriage Stays Legal In Massachusetts
    Question Will Not Make Ballot



    BOSTON -- Lawmakers voted Thursday to keep a constitutional amendment that bans gay marriage off the 2008 ballot during a joint session of the Massachusetts House and Senate.

    The amendment that defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman needed the support of 50 of the state's 200 lawmakers in two consecutive sessions. It passed with 62 votes on the final day of the last legislative session earlier this year, but it only received 45 votes on Thursday.

    The Legislature has twice put off voting on the controversial issue by adjourning without taking a vote after state residents collected petitions asking that the question be put to the voters as a ballot question. The supporters of the gay marriage ban amendment collected signatures from 170,000 people in an effort to get the question on the 2008 ballot.

    Earlier in the day, activists on both sides of the issue gathered at the Statehouse to make their voices heard. Preaching a message of marriage equality, members of the Religious Coalition for the Freedom to Marry marched from St. Paul's Cathedral to the steps of the statehouse.

    "God loves all of God's children -- gays, straight, transgender and bisexual -- and everyone has equal rights," the Rev. Anne Rousseau said.

    Opponents of gay marriage demanded that the issue be decided by the voters of Massachusetts.

    "If the majority of people in Massachusetts think that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, they ought to say that," said Wally Atwood, who supports a gay marriage ban.

    "To take the position that a small group of unelected judges can determine who we are as a people, I think it's not right," said Elizabeth Dionne, who supports a gay marriage ban.

    "This is a clear issue of civil rights and social justice, and we are here in support of it," said Alex Coleman, who supports gay marriage.

    The issues has made national headlines with Democratic lawmakers. U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi lobbied to keep the question off the ballot.

    "I think it's a choice people of Massachusetts need to make. Not Nancy Pelosi. She is not from here. She has nothing to do with it," Dionne said.

    Others, such as Joan Fahey, who married her long-time partner in 2004, said that the issue transcends politics.

    "It will really impact (us) on a day-to-day basis to the extent that gays and lesbians feel safe in this state," she said.

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    At least it was decided by a legislature.
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    • #3
      In California, the Legislature voted the make gay marriage legal, but the Governor vetoed it, saying it was a matter for the courts.

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        Nothing wrong with vetoing it, but saying it was a matter for the courts is ass-backwards.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
          Nothing wrong with vetoing it, but saying it was a matter for the courts is ass-backwards.
          Wimpy executives abdicating responsibility and punting to the courts

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
            ...saying it was a matter for the courts is ass-backwards.
            If, and only if, the law does not violate the Equal Protection Clause.

            But if the law does violate a provision of the Constitution, then it is the duty of the courts to strike it down.

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            • #7
              The Constitution doesn't say anything about gay marriage...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                The Constitution doesn't say anything about gay marriage...
                But it does say that everyone is to have equal protection under the laws....not just straight people.

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                • #9
                  I'm sure judges could invent some bull**** reasoning as to why gay marriage is protected by the Constitution, but I wouldn't advise it. God knows we don't need another Roe v. Wade...
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                  • #10
                    Nothing wrong with vetoing it


                    No, actually there was plenty wrong with that.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zkribbler
                      But it does say that everyone is to have equal protection under the laws....not just straight people.
                      To legalize gay marriage by judicial fiat under the equal protection clause would be world-class bull****.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                        I'm sure judges could invent some bull**** reasoning ...
                        Judges don't invent bull**** reasoning. That's the job of attorneys. Judges just buy into the bull**** reasoning of attorneys.

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                        • #13
                          Well, judges are really just attorney with robes and gavels.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zkribbler
                            In California, the Legislature voted the make gay marriage legal, but the Governor vetoed it, saying it was a matter for the courts.
                            In a related story, on the front page of one of the legal rags published in L.A., the governing Board of the L.A. County Bar Asso. has voted unanimously to submit an amicus brief to the California Supreme Court supporting gay marriage.

                            This stance puzzled me for awhile because this is a pretty conservative group. Then I realized, they're mostly from big firms who have big-money institutional clients. The Board isn't made up of social conservative but economic conservatives. And big business wants uniform rules.

                            What does a business do when it hires a gay married man in Massachusetts, who gets health benefits for his spouse, and then that man is transferred for six months to Califoria? There's civil unions in Vermont, but not in Texas. It's a patchwork of laws, and business hates that. So, IMHO, business is moving into the pro-gay-marriage camp.

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                              California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's remarks that immigrants should avoid Spanish-language media if they want to learn English quickly left some Hispanic journalists shaking their heads.

                              "You've got to turn off the Spanish television set" and stay away from Spanish-language television, books and newspapers, the Republican governor said Wednesday night at the annual convention of the National Association of Hispanic Journalists. "You're just forced to speak English, and that just makes you learn the language faster."

                              Schwarzenegger, who immigrated to the U.S. from Austria, was responding to a question about how Hispanic students can improve academic performance. The audience included many journalists who work for Spanish-language media outlets.

                              "I know this sounds odd and this is the politically incorrect thing to say and I'm going to get myself in trouble," he said. "But I know that when I came to this country, I very rarely spoke German to anyone."


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