Pros and Cons of social drugs

[bipolarbear]

Originally posted by VJ
Me neither. Playing devil's advocate here -- if one should be banned for health reasons or for "the good of the society", shouldn't it logically be alcohol, not MJ?

Yeah, but more likely distilled spirits rather than wine and beer. Alcoholism wasn't the social scourge it is today until distillation became widespread.

Tjhis whole "pot never killed anyone!" spiel reeks of BS to me. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and if what the Doctor says is true (MJ contains most or all of the same carcinogens as cigarettes) then it would be pretty implausible for MJ not to cause cancer.

That argument does get a bit overemphasized. The way it works though is like this...

You can consume enough alcohol to kill you. By smoking pot, or eating pot it is extremely unlikely that you could consume enough to be killed. Grant it is still possible, but even a determined individual would be hard pressed to accomplish this. The easiest way to achieve suicide via marijuana itself, and not by smoke inhalation or something else secondary like that, would be to extract the THC and set yourself up on an IV.

The toxicity of THC in rats shows that, roughly speaking you9assuming a 150 lb human) would have to take 3 ounces of pure THC to experience an overdose. This translates to roughly 2 1/2 pounds of average strength marijuana, assuming that no THC was lost in the process of ingesting it. If you're not familiar with pot, a heavy smoker would consume around 1/8 of an ounce in one session (just to give you an idea of how much we are talking about, an ounce is, very roughly speaking, a zip loc sandwich bag full of pot)

Yes smoking enough pot may indeed give you, or at the least leave you possibly prone to cancer, but that is more so an effect of the tars present in the smoke (most of which can be avoided by either baking it or using a vaporizer [a lot of med pot patients use vaporizers]) So the dangers of marijuana smoking are not from the plant itself, but rather the method of ingestion.

[Jon Miller]

I know plenty of peopl ewith alcohol prolbems who jus tdrink beer.

JM

[Elok]

Originally posted by bipolarbear
Yeah, but more likely distilled spirits rather than wine and beer. Alcoholism wasn't the social scourge it is today until distillation became widespread.

Can you back this up? Alcohol is alcohol, and if it's lower-proof you can just guzzle more of it. What difference does distillation make?

[Jon Miller]

I personally have a hard time getting drunk on beer. Wine is pretty doable, but easy not to get drunk with. Whiskey is very easy, and I have to be careful to not get drunk.

JM

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I know plenty of peopl ewith alcohol prolbems who jus tdrink beer.

JM

Well, is that a prob of the beer, or of the people?

[LordShiva]

VJ needs to learn how to lighten up

And to post valid polls

[BeBMan]

Stop oppressing him

[LordShiva]

They don't call me Indian Aggressor for nothing

[Dis]

Originally posted by VJ

Turns out Finns are violent people, then. When I used to cycle around city center during evenings, all the people who tried to pick up a fight with each other were obviously drunks. No, I mean all of them. I have yet to see a pot-smoker who's actively seeking for a fight.

The point was that alcohol makes you active, marijuana inactive. A question I was wondering was whether people who are high on pot cause less costs to society than people who are drunk from alcohol. Now every goddamn drunkard in Apolyton is jumping hysterically around because they want to prove that they're DEFINETILY NOT VIOLENT OKAY! nobody is saying that, stop being hysterical.

alcohol doesn't make me active. it maginifies my personality. I'm normally a down person, and alcohol makes me more so.

[bipolarbear]

Originally posted by Elok


Can you back this up? Alcohol is alcohol, and if it's lower-proof you can just guzzle more of it. What difference does distillation make?

My roiginal source is buried in a folder full of PDF's, I believe it was in "The Social History of LSD". However I also have this. Third and second paragraphs from the bottom of p.16 under Wine and Eaux De-Vie. If you skim down to the header of the next section it reaffirms that claim. The whole thing is actually a really interesting read.

Basically, spirits were/are cheaper and faster acting than wine.

[ZEE]

alcohol gives me a headache and puts me to sleep...
piece™

[bipolarbear]

Originally posted by VJ
The point was that alcohol makes you active, marijuana inactive. A question I was wondering was whether people who are high on pot cause less costs to society than people who are drunk from alcohol. Now every goddamn drunkard in Apolyton is jumping hysterically around because they want to prove that they're DEFINETILY NOT VIOLENT OKAY! nobody is saying that, stop being hysterical.

http://www.19thcircuitcourt.state.il.us/bkshelf/resource/alcohol_myth.htm

#22 Alcohol is not a stimulant. Initially it produces some euphoriant effects and the positive mood makes some people want to be more active. however it is a depressant.

Marijuana is actually more likely to make you active depending on the strain you are smoking. A lot of people prefer the indica heavy strains of marijuana which have a higher concentration of CBD and CBN (the Cannabinoids, they are the other active chemicals in pot) which tends to produce the "couch lock" style of high in many people.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by bipolarbear
You can consume enough alcohol to kill you. By smoking pot, or eating pot it is extremely unlikely that you could consume enough to be killed. Grant it is still possible, but even a determined individual would be hard pressed to accomplish this. The easiest way to achieve suicide via marijuana itself, and not by smoke inhalation or something else secondary like that, would be to extract the THC and set yourself up on an IV.

The toxicity of THC in rats shows that, roughly speaking you9assuming a 150 lb human) would have to take 3 ounces of pure THC to experience an overdose. This translates to roughly 2 1/2 pounds of average strength marijuana, assuming that no THC was lost in the process of ingesting it. If you're not familiar with pot, a heavy smoker would consume around 1/8 of an ounce in one session (just to give you an idea of how much we are talking about, an ounce is, very roughly speaking, a zip loc sandwich bag full of pot)

Yes smoking enough pot may indeed give you, or at the least leave you possibly prone to cancer, but that is more so an effect of the tars present in the smoke (most of which can be avoided by either baking it or using a vaporizer [a lot of med pot patients use vaporizers]) So the dangers of marijuana smoking are not from the plant itself, but rather the method of ingestion.

You usually don't OD on cigs either, but that doesn't make it a good idea to smoke them. Your entire post is a giant strawman.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

This is dull. Make VJ and Elok fight more.

I'll put a small bet on Elok.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]