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  • Chicken Bones - Serious Evidence for Polynesian Contact with South America.

    The dates are close to the time of the Spanish arrival and radiocarbon dating can be a fussy science which is easily screwed up if a mistake is made but still this is interesting. The genetics of the chicken being closer to Polynesian then European chickens is also an interesting discovery. Hopefully this pans out and can be double checked for accuracy.


    From the Los Angeles Times
    Chicken bones say Polynesians beat Europeans to New World
    Researchers use genetic analysis and radiocarbon dating of bones found in Chile to turn previously held ideas on their head.
    By Thomas H. Maugh II
    Times Staff Writer

    6:18 PM PDT, June 4, 2007

    After decades of contention, New Zealand researchers have provided the first direct evidence that Polynesians sailed across thousands of miles of the Pacific Ocean to reach South America long before the arrival of the Spanish around AD 1500.

    Their proof? Chicken bones.

    Using genetic analysis and radiocarbon dating of chicken bones found in Chile, the researchers showed that the fowl originated in Polynesia, not Europe as was previously believed, the researchers said Monday.

    "The Polynesian contact probably didn't change the course of prehistory, but I think maybe it makes us recognize the ethnocentrism in our long-standing views of the prehistory of the New World," said archeologist Terry L. Jones of Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, who was not involved in the research.

    "The basic premise has always been that there was only one civilization capable of crossing the ocean and discovering the New World," he said. The new findings, reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, indicate that "the prehistory of the New World was probably a little bit more complicated than we thought in the past."

    The possibility of contact between Polynesia and the New World has been a subject of contention since Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl's famous 1947 voyage aboard his crude raft Kon-Tiki.

    Heyerdahl believed that an ancient, fair-haired race originating high in the Andes around Lake Titicaca sailed to the Pacific islands.

    He attempted to prove his ideas by setting off on a trip from the west coast of South America on a raft based on Inca designs.

    The 4,300-mile trip from Peru to the Tuamotu Islands took 101 days, but subsequent trips were much faster once researchers learned how to steer the boats properly.

    Despite Heyerdahl's demonstration, the idea that Polynesians could have routinely — or even occasionally — navigated across the Pacific was considered farfetched, primarily because of the lack of proof.

    "Scientists have not been willing to fully accept the idea" of prehistoric contact between Polynesia and South America, Jones said, "but it is hard to understand why."

    The most convincing previous evidence of cultural contact was the presence of sweet potatoes — a native American plant — at archeological sites throughout Polynesia.

    Most notably, sweet potatoes dating from about AD 1000 have been found on the Cook Islands. Equally important, Jones noted, the name of the potato used throughout Polynesia is the same name given it by South Americans.

    Heyerdahl's trip and the discovery of the sweet potatoes showed that South Americans could have taken the sweet potato to the islands but did not demonstrate that the islanders could have come to South America.

    The new findings show that definitively, said archeologist Elizabeth A. Matisoo-Smith of the University of Auckland, the senior author of the new report.

    The chicken bones studied were recovered from a site called El Arenal-1 in south-central Chile, about a mile and a half inland on the southern side of the Arauco Peninsula. Thermoluminescent dating of ceramics from the site indicates it was occupied from AD 700 to 1390.

    Analysis of the bones was conducted by graduate student Alice A. Story in Matisoo-Smith's lab.

    Matisoo-Smith said she didn't expect much from the study because finding evidence of Polynesian contact would be like "finding a needle in a haystack."

    But radiocarbon dating showed the bones were about 622 years old. Even with potential errors, they dated from AD 1321 to 1407 — before Spaniards first trod the New World.

    Genetic analysis of the chickens showed that they were identical to genetic sequences of chicken from that same time period in American Samoa and Tonga, both more than 5,000 miles from Chile.

    The sequences were very similar to those of chickens from Hawaii, also about 5,000 miles distant, and Easter Island, located about 2,500 miles away.

    "I was pretty excited when the dates came back as clearly pre-European," Matisoo-Smith said. "There were no questions. The Europeans didn't pick them up in Polynesia and bring them back" to South America, she said.

    Sailing into the wind from the islands to South America "requires significant sailing technology and navigational skills," she said. "But if you look at the winds, leaving from Easter Island, you would actually land [in South America] around the area where El Arenal-1 is located. You could then make the return voyage further north."

    Jones of Cal Poly is particularly pleased because the find supports his theory that Polynesians also landed in the Northern Hemisphere. He and linguist Kathryn A. Klar of UC Berkeley have argued that the Chumash Indians of Southern California learned to build their sewn-plank canoes from the Polynesians, in part because the names of the ships are very similar in the two unrelated languages.

    Composite bone fishhooks used by the Indians also closely resembled those used in Polynesia.

    If we know they landed in Chile, he said, "then why is it so difficult to imagine they couldn't have made it to Southern California from Hawaii?"

    thomas.maugh@latimes.com
    Scientific analysis of old chicken bones found in Chile shows Polynesians reached the continent no later than 1407.
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    The book 1491 also said that there was likely European contact on at least a limited basis between the Viking landings in the 11th century and Columbus's first voyage in 1492. He quoted the journal of a Portugese captain who took 50 natives captive in Maine in 1502; the natives were taken back to Portugal to become slaves and show pieces for wealthy men. The curious part is three of the 50 had between them a mirror, a Ventian made glass bottle, and a broken steel knife. The captain also said the natives came out on shore when they saw the ships and even rowed out to meet the ship. That they had European made goods and that they seemed familiar with idea that European ships meant trade seems to indicate that some Europeans had previously been to Maine. Likely Fisherman.
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    • #3
      I've also heard that a UC Berkley archiologist has found that the words used by Chumash for their plank boats and various parts of the boats is very similiar to ancient Hawaiin names for the same thing. The argument is the linguistic similiarities point to a pre-historic contact between Polynesia and California. I find that one harder to believe though since Polynesians were farmers and kept both pigs and chickens yet no farming occured in Calfifornia pre-European contact nor animal keeping. If there was some sort of contact between Polynesia and California then it must have been extremely brief.
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      • #4
        There is plenty of fuzzy stuff in there, but on the whole I wouldn't be surprised if they're right.

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        • #5
          Can explain Easter Island
          Monkey!!!

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          • #6
            Yes. The natives harvested all the trees and overfished the local waters. They erected more and bigger idols to turn away the "wrath of the gods." The island was abandoned.
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            • #7
              Polynesicentric Lies!
              I need a foot massage

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              • #8
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Straybow
                  Yes. The natives harvested all the trees and overfished the local waters. They erected more and bigger idols to turn away the "wrath of the gods." The island was abandoned.
                  Not abandoned, just big population crash. European slaving a diseases took a toll as well but the population on the Easter Islands is about half native even today...
                  Stop Quoting Ben

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                  • #10
                    1. I thought it was believed the Sweet Potato came to Polynesia with the Spanish, in 1500. GGS. What this about Cook Islands, 1000?

                    2. WHY would they go that far? Most of the time they island hopped, maybe out fishing and blown off course, etc. No evidence I know of that they explored for the hell of it. Long way from Easter Island to Chile. Needs explanation
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                    • #11
                      GGS - everybody's favourite source for global prehistory

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                      • #12
                        I started looking up the sweet potato thing yesterday because I wanted to know more about the Polynesian-South American contact theory. The prevailing theories are that a fisherman in South America had Sweet Potatoes to eat during his fishing trip but he got blown out to see and ended up on either Easter Island or the Marcasesas. As that's where the wind and currents would take him.

                        If this chicken thing pans out then it would mean at least one Polynesian boat made it to South America and if they went back they might have taken Sweet Potatoes with them. Though it is curious why they wouldn't have taken corn, beans, squash, or cotton back with them as well.
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                        • #13
                          maybe cause it wasn't in season?

                          small boats?
                          Monkey!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ecthy
                            GGS - everybody's favourite source for global prehistory
                            ive read two other books on prehistory, "After the ice" a global of survey of life from 10000 BC or so for the next few thousand years, by an archaeologist, and a detailed examination of the pre-Clovis America, by the guy who dug the key pre-Clovis site in S America (I forget the name)

                            But Diamond is all Ive read on the Polynesians, and since he quite specifically addresses the adoption of the sweet potato .....
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                            • #15
                              GGS is a great book and the guy teaches Prehistory at UCLA so he knows what he's talking about.
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