Never Forget 06-04-89

[BeBMan]

You don't expect to see the latter in your lifetime, do you?

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by BeBro
You don't expect to see the latter in your lifetime, do you?

Yes, I do.


Communist countries seem invulnerable one moment, and the next, they've completely broken down.

[BeBMan]

But they're only communist on paper.

[aneeshm]

110 million rural people are out a job, moving from city to city, looking from shelter and food and a job. And that's the government's official figure.

The rural health and education system have broken down catastrophically and completely.

They're fascist in their economic policies - whenever they want some land for some factory or something, they simply relocate the people without any qualms. Basically, they're the biatches of any corporation willing to invest in their country.

There is still one party in power, and by its very nature cannot represent the people, nor build an inclusive society.


All these things make it very unstable.

As I said, I wait with patience. And a certain amount of unholy anticipation, I must admit.

[BeBMan]

First communist, now fascist - so they're nazicommies?

But yeah, no doubt they're are a still a dictatorship. I just think communism doesn't really fit. It's a strange mixture they have now (on the one hand commiunist ruling party, on the other move towards market economy).

And re fall, their rise has just begun, and many seem to think it will last for quite some time - at least they have the potential for this....of course nobody can really predict the future.....

[aneeshm]

Sometimes I think - is it wrong to feel happy when a communist regime is toppled, knowing that millions will suffer?

Then I think - maybe this time the commies will finally learn that it doesn't work? Maybe it's necessary that it fail so many times for the world to learn its lesson?

But how many must die before this happens? Isn't hundreds of millions enough to satisfy the communist bloodlust?

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by aneeshm
110 million rural people are out a job, moving from city to city, looking from shelter and food and a job. And that's the government's official figure.

The rural health and education system have broken down catastrophically and completely.

I had not heard this. Thanks for the info.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by aneeshm
110 million rural people are out a job, moving from city to city, looking from shelter and food and a job. And that's the government's official figure.

The rural health and education system have broken down catastrophically and completely.

They're fascist in their economic policies - whenever they want some land for some factory or something, they simply relocate the people without any qualms. Basically, they're the biatches of any corporation willing to invest in their country.

There is still one party in power, and by its very nature cannot represent the people, nor build an inclusive society.


All these things make it very unstable.

As I said, I wait with patience. And a certain amount of unholy anticipation, I must admit.

I'm sure when things get bad enough, they'll look toward India for help. The same way they looked toward Tibet and are looking toward Taiwan.

[aneeshm]

A small correction - the "floating population" (the rural people are out a job, moving from city to city, looking from shelter and food and a job) has topped 140 million now, not 110 million, as I previously said.

[Tingkai]

Poverty and unemployment is even greater in India than in China, but this thread is not the place to discuss such matters.

Now is the time to remember those who died and those who remain in prison. And the Chinese people in Hong Kong will continue to remember the massacre and demand that Beijing admit the massacre occurred and assume responsibilities for the deaths regardless of fools like Ma.

[Nikolai]

This did not happen in April. Americans.

[DaShi]

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSHKG14616220070606?feedType=RSS&rpc=22

Young clerk let Tiananmen ad slip past censors: paper

Wed Jun 6, 2007 1:13AM EDT

HONG KONG (Reuters) - A young clerk with no knowledge of the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown allowed a tribute to victims slip into the classified ads page of a newspaper in southwest China, a Hong Kong daily reported on Wednesday.

The tiny ad in the lower right corner of page 14 of the Chengdu Evening News on Monday night, read: "Paying tribute to the strong(-willed) mothers of June 4 victims".

An investigation was launched by Chinese authorities to find out how the advertisement slipped its way past censors.

Public discussion of the massacre is still taboo in Beijing and the government has rejected calls to overturn the verdict that the student-led demonstrations were "counter-revolutionary", or subversive. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, were killed when the army crushed the pro-democracy protests on June 4, 1989.

Hong Kong's South China Morning Post said a young woman on the Chengdu Evening News classified section had allowed the ad to be published because she'd never heard of the June 4 crackdown.

A man gave the advertisement to the clerk, who had recently graduated and worked for an advertising company responsible for receiving content for the ads section, the Post reported.

"She called the man back two days later to check what June 4 meant and the man said it was (a date on which) a mining disaster took place," the Post quoted a source at the paper as saying.

"This highlights (the fact) that the government needs to face up to history," the paper quoted the source as saying.

References to the massacre are barred in state media, the Internet and printed works, meaning many of China's younger generation are ignorant of the events.

Dumbasses.

[Zkribbler]

"She called the man back two days later to check what June 4 meant and the man said it was (a date on which) a mining disaster took place," the Post quoted a source at the paper as saying.

A lot of minors did die on that day.

[Krill]

Why do USians and Europians reverse the placing of the month and day in the numnber format of the date btw?

[Nikolai]

Because americans are weird creatures.

Must have something to do with their revolution and dislike of european customs.