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  • #46
    Originally posted by Arrian
    Now, unfortunately, the responsible action seems to be to stick it out a while longer, even if we now recognize the whole thing was a bad idea. So the Dems find themselves funding it.
    The responsible action when confronted with a policy you believe is furthering a lost cause and wastes American lives/treasure is to end it and not to continue funding what you honestly believe is a failed enterprise.
    Obama wasn't in Congress at that point, so he gets a N/A. Which, of course, will be used to claim "empty suit!"
    He gets the empty suit moniker for much more than that Arrian.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • #47
      The responsible action when confronted with a policy you believe is furthering a lost cause and wastes American lives/treasure is to end it and not to continue funding what you honestly believe is a failed enterprise.
      There are Dems who think it's a lost cause, and Dems who believe that it's bad but would be worse if we pull out now. No matter what they do, you'll rip them. Meh.

      -Arrian
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      • #48
        I'm just going by what the party leaders in both houses of Congress (Reid and Pelosi) are saying.
        No matter what they do, you'll rip them.
        Probably. I'd respect them a little more if they had the courage to act on what they are saying however.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #49
          Except that courage, as you put it, would be taken by folks like you as cowardice, no?

          -Arrian
          Last edited by Arrian; June 4, 2007, 11:47.
          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Arrian
            Except that courage, as you put it,
            How would you put it?
            would be take by folks like you as cowardice, no?
            I can't speak for anyone else but cowardice is refusing to take the stand your rhetoric demands and what you (in public pronouncements at least) claim to think you were elected to do. So no it wouldn't be seen as cowardice at least by me.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #51
              So no it wouldn't be seen as cowardice at least by me.
              Ok.

              -Arrian
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #52
                I'm just going by what the party leaders in both houses of Congress (Reid and Pelosi) are saying.

                Probably. I'd respect them a little more if they had the courage to act on what they are saying however.


                Pelosi voted against funding it.
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                • #53
                  And yet it got funded. With votes from large numbers of Democrats.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #54
                    Yes Dino, more conservative Democrats sometimes vote to the right of their leadership. Really scandalous trend you've uncovered, there.
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc
                      Well it's a little hard to stomach cries of "Bush's war!", "War is lost!", etc. from people that decide to fund said enterprise when they arrive at a position of responsibilty supposedly (or so they claim) on a platform of ending it.
                      The smart-ass response would be:

                      Dino -- Why do you demand that funding of the war be cut off? Do you hate our troops?

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                      • #56
                        I did like how Edwards called Clinton out on waiting until the decision was made already before casting her vote. If Hilary was such a principled candidate and atnti-war Senator she should have been the first to press the button.

                        She was waiting until it was safe to vote against the resolution. This woman is a joke.

                        Obama did the same if I remember Edwards correctly.
                        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                        • #57
                          More precisely, Hillary waited until Obama had voted, and then voted the same way he did.

                          This fits into her strategy of claiming "See?-we're-all-pretty-much-the-same."

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            Who is funding it?
                            Who is setting up a 'damned if you do damned if you dont'?
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                            • #59
                              You got it, MRT.
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                              • #60
                                I did like how Edwards called Clinton out on waiting until the decision was made already before casting her vote. If Hilary was such a principled candidate and atnti-war Senator she should have been the first to press the button.

                                She was waiting until it was safe to vote against the resolution. This woman is a joke.

                                Obama did the same if I remember Edwards correctly.


                                Everyone knew that the bill would pass with a large majority (particularly in the Senate). That's a ridiculous claim.

                                Edwards was criticizing the fact that they didn't invest very much political capital in backing the measure, appearing to vacillate on the question.
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