Ten most important conservative legislative triumphs in Congress of the past 15 years

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I love to throw out a nice short post then see what the fools post in response so I can crush them. All to often though Kuci and DD make it to damn easy.

You're right. It's really easy to crush me when you attack posts I've never made

[Imran Siddiqui]

Now, of course, for Clinton tough rhetoric was always easier than tough action. It took a Republican Congress to translate Clinton's rhetoric into reality. But Clinton's values talk helped jump start a decline in welfare dependence, and the work requirements and time limits in the actual legislation pushed this change into overdrive, stimulating an unprecedented plummet in welfare caseloads and poverty among single mothers.

Very true... Clinton was essential for welfare reform, but as stated, it took a Republican Congress to transform rhetoric into reality... with the Contract for America setting it up.

[DinoDoc]

Like I said earlier, do you ever stop pwning yourself? It amuses me greatly but it must be hard on the go to be that wrong so often.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Now, of course, for Clinton tough rhetoric was always easier than tough action. It took a Republican Congress to translate Clinton's rhetoric into reality. But Clinton's values talk helped jump start a decline in welfare dependence, and the work requirements and time limits in the actual legislation pushed this change into overdrive, stimulating an unprecedented plummet in welfare caseloads and poverty among single mothers.

Very true... Clinton was essential for welfare reform, but as stated, it took a Republican Congress to transform rhetoric into reality... with the Contract for America setting it up.

First, remember that the Heritage Foundation is nothing but a rightwing propaganda website and everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. Welfare reform was passed by a very wide bipartisan majority. Clinton and the Democrats had a very large say in how the law got drafted because they made it clear the original Republican version of simply eliminating all Federal welfare programs wasn't going to pass his veto. Instead Congressional Republicans had to site down with Congressional Democrats and the President's men to craft a reform measure which they could all support. The end product was radically different then the one Gingrich was campaigning on. Clinton more then anyone else shaped that law while Republicans provided the fire to do something. The Republicans just didn't get anything remotely looking like what Gingrich originally was pushing for.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Like I said earlier, do you ever stop pwning yourself? It amuses me greatly but it must be hard on the go to be that wrong so often.

Typical DinoDoc. Wrong about everything but still attempting to claim victory!

[Perfection]

Namin' everythin' after Ronnie!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


You're right. It's really easy to crush me when you attack posts I've never made

Except, you know, for the totally false claim you actually made. You know, the one I quoted.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oerdin
First, remember that the Heritage Foundation is nothing but a rightwing propaganda website and everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. Welfare reform was passed by a very wide bipartisan majority. Clinton and the Democrats had a very large say in how the law got drafted because they made it clear the original Republican version of simply eliminating all Federal welfare programs wasn't going to pass his veto. Instead Congressional Republicans had to site down with Congressional Democrats and the President's men to craft a reform measure which they could all support. The end product was radically different then the one Gingrich was campaigning on. Clinton more then anyone else shaped that law while Republicans provided the fire to do something. The Republicans just didn't get anything remotely looking like what Gingrich originally was pushing for.

Sorry, but you are an idiot or a liar. You can trumpet partisan lies, but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

The Personal Responsibility Act

An act to cut spending for welfare programs by means of discouraging illegitimacy and teen pregnancy. This would be achieved by prohibiting welfare to mothers under 18 years of age, denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, and enacting a two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility. H.R.4, the Family Self-Sufficiency Act, included provisions giving food vouchers to unwed mothers under 18 in lieu of cash AFDC benefits, denying cash AFDC benefits for additional children to people on AFDC, requiring recipients to participate in work programs after 2 years on AFDC, complete termination of AFDC payments after five years, and suspending driver and professional licenses of people who fail to pay child support. H.R.4, passed by the US House 234-199, 3/23/95, and passed by the US Senate 87-12, 9/19/95. The Act was vetoed by President Clinton, but the alternative Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act was enacted 8/22/96.

Do you want to try again? Or shall we take into account your "leftwing propaganda"?

[DinoDoc]

Let's see. Who's opinion carries more weight? Imran and Zkribbler? Both respectable posters even if I disagree with them on ocassion. Or perhaps you the gibbering moron? Decisions, decisions. Which one is the right choice?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Except, you know, for the totally false claim you actually made. You know, the one I quoted.

Where?

[Dinner]

DD has descended into insults yet again. Excellent it is clear he has lost yet another time.

[Kuciwalker]

This is the 2nd thread in a row where Oerdin has claimed to have "pwned" me despite never having disputed any of my posts

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Let's see. Who's opinion carries more weight? Imran and Zkribbler? Both respectable posters even if I disagree with them on ocassion. Or perhaps you the gibbering moron? Decisions, decisions. Which one is the right choice?

Imran, respectable? He's a lawyer.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Except, you know, for the totally false claim you actually made. You know, the one I quoted.

Are you high? Kuciwalker only made a 0.0001% joke and you didn't quote it.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Imran, respectable? He's a lawyer.

Lawyers are soulless but still respectable.