Whiney liberals attack hero

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Wezil

This arrangement won't accomplish what either the Libs or Greens want but will turn off voters.

Ya the Liberals view is " we won't run candidates against leaders in ridings we cannot win"

Originally posted by Wezil

The Greens were to be my protest vote next time out - but they won't be now.

So from this thread you are left with the NDP or not voting. I have voted NDP before-- it was partially a protest vote since I knew they couldn't win and partially because they had a really good guy running in my riding.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Flubber

So from this thread you are left with the NDP or not voting. I have voted NDP before-- it was partially a protest vote since I knew they couldn't win and partially because they had a really good guy running in my riding.

Spoiled ballot - they count them.

Not to vote NDP as a protest is a lesson Ontario learned the hard way when we ended up with Rae by accident. We won't do that again.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
And Doan has excellent leadership skills. We've already established you do not know what those are.

You've established that, eh. Just like you established that Yelle is not a checker.

And once again, you missed the obvious point.

Doan may be a nice guy from Alberta, who never ever swears, and who like all Albertans loves Quebec and French-Canadians and is completely free of prejudices, but who cares.

What has Doan done to earn the honor of being captain. He's not a great sniper like Nash. He's never been in the top ranks for scoring points, unlike Eric Stall. He's never won the Cup, unlike Stall and Williams.

This is the guy leading Team Canada?

And you're not surprised? Of course not.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Wezil
To vote Conservative as a protest is a lesson Ontario learned the hard way when we ended up with Harris by accident. We won't do that again.

I corrected your typos.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
What has Doan done to earn the honor of being captain. He's not a great sniper like Nash. He's never been in the top ranks for scoring points, unlike Eric Stall. He's never won the Cup, unlike Stall and Williams.

This is the guy leading Team Canada?

And you're not surprised? Of course not.

What???

You think captaincy should be based upon goal scoring?

Are you serious when you say you play hockey? Because it looks like you haven't the faintest idea how hockey teams work.

To even mention Nash as a potential captain, well... Nash is a one-dimensional player that's invisible more often than not. Not to mention inconsistent. And his point totals this year are almost identical to Doan -- the difference being he's not a gritty two-way player and he lacks Doan's experience.

Your anti-Westerner bias is showing again, Tingkai.

I'm also absolutely convinced that you don't actually watch hockey, or understand how it's played. How else could you even mention that an inconsistent, one-dimensional young player could captain an international tournament team vs a veteran with well-established leadership skills, a veteran who always plays with heart and grit, and who is considered by many to be the "ultimate team player", including his teammates...

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Tingkai




Doan may be a nice guy from Alberta, who never ever swears, and who like all Albertans loves Quebec and French-Canadians and is completely free of prejudices, but who cares.

Well all those government folks might actually care. Its the whole basis of the hearing. The sports reporters on this story say that actually Doan is a "nice guy" that never swears-- The f word alone apparently is not known to cross his lips so for him to say "f***ing Frenchman" would apparently be totally out of character.

As well , the NHL investigated this and word is that while the phrase was said, everyone except the linesman that was targetted for the insult were unanimous in that Doan was not the guy that said it. So it appears Doan is a victim of mistaken identity.

Originally posted by Tingkai




What has Doan done to earn the honor of being captain. He's not a great sniper like Nash. He's never been in the top ranks for scoring points, unlike Eric Stall. He's never won the Cup, unlike Stall and Williams.

Now thats a different question. Like Asher I reject the idea that your top player or your best scorer should necessarily be your captain. It should be a hardworking leader type player that would be respected in the room by the players and communicates well with the coaches-

Doan has been an NHL player for 11 years and this is his 5th time representing Canada. So to me he represents what I expect in a captain. The only reason NOT to pick him is fear that this insult thing could distract the team

Staal?-- You mean Eric the 3rd year pro who has never ever suited up for Canada at this level before . Williams? His stats and experience stack up better (FIVE NHL seasons?) but do you have any idea if he has a leader??


Bottom line is that stats are not determinative of who makes a good captain. I was never a big scorer but I ended up as a captain or assistant captain on 6 different teams over the years. I would log a lot of minutes (20-30 in a 45 minute contest) and work my guts out and when I spoke in the dressing room it was because I had something to say and people tended to listen. ON 3 of those teams we had the same star winger on our team. He was our best player by far but he was also an asshat that no one liked and who lost his cool with the refs. What would be the thinking in making HIM captain?

[mactbone]

I'm also absolutely convinced that you don't actually watch hockey, or understand how it's played. How else could you even mention that an inconsistent, one-dimensional young player could captain an international tournament team vs a veteran with well-established leadership skills, a veteran who always plays with heart and grit, and who is considered by many to be the "ultimate team player", including his teammates...

OK, I really don't care about who the captain is but jesus, put away the cliche machine!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Asher



Shane Doan risked his life rescuing paraplegic babies and their pet kittens from a towering inferno.

What have your people done, aside from slaughtering millions?

DUH -- anyone should know that the slaughtering of civilians is a necessity toward the goal of spreading democracy!

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
You think captaincy should be based upon goal scoring?

Your ignorance is showing again, Asher. Read what people write before your start whining.

Did I say say it should only be based on goal scoring? I did not.

What I said from the start is that it is surprising that Doan has been named captain. Why? Because he hasn't done anything in his career that makes him stand out as a great leader.

Among the ways we can judge his ability to lead is to look at his stats, which are not exceptional. We can look at whether he has been on a Cup-winning team. He has not.
We can look at his status in the league, again, it is not exceptional.

About all we can say about him is that he has played in the league for 11 years and played for Team Canada five times. Oh, and that he's a nice guy who doesn't swear.

Wow.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Your ignorance is showing again, Asher. Read what people write before your start whining.

Did I say say it should only be based on goal scoring? I did not.

What I said from the start is that it is surprising that Doan has been named captain. Why? Because he hasn't done anything in his career that makes him stand out as a great leader.

You're full of ****. Ask his teammates, he's VERY well respected in locker rooms.

Further, you listed a whole bunch of guys that could DEFINITELY not be considered Captain material right now (mostly young, inexperienced guys). All of the guys you mentioned also were known as scorers, which is precisely why it was easy to make the implication that you think point production plays a roll in leadership abilities.

Don't backpedal now, you've been caught.

It's not my ignorance showing, it's yours. You qualify leadership as a trait you automatically get if you're on a team that wins the Stanley Cup, which is absurd.

[Asher]

Doan scored a hattrick today, as luck would have it.

He is leading Canada in goal scoring.

[Asher]

And what do his teammates think?

Added forward Rick Nash: "He's a true captain."

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Tingkai


About all we can say about him is that he has played in the league for 11 years and played for Team Canada five times. Oh, and that he's a nice guy who doesn't swear.

Wow.

that might be all that YOU can say about him but the team Canada players are saying lots more. Because of this controversy his reputation as a hard-working guy that just exudes class has become apparent.

Plus he can lead on the ice too . Belarus game is exhibit "A" of a guy taking a team on his back.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
Ask his teammates, he's VERY well respected in locker rooms.

Yeah, he's done a great job leading Phoenix to the bottom of the league.

Gotta love that Albertan leadership.

And nice hat trick by Doan against that powerhouse Belarus. Cause you know it would have been a close game if it wasn't for him. But, what was that you said, something about just because the guy can score goals doesn't mean anything when it comes to leadership.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Yeah, he's done a great job leading Phoenix to the bottom of the league.

Have you seen the players he's had to work with?

Shane Doan is a great leader. Hockey Canada thinks so, his coaches thinks so, and most importantly, his teammates think so. The opinion of a Hong Kong rec-league player who thinks one of the main requirements of Captaincy is point production is moot.

Didn't Tim Taylor captain a stanley cup winning team recently? He's about as far as you can get from a goal scorer.

Cause you know it would have been a close game if it wasn't for him.

Subtract his goals and look at the score.

But, what was that you said, something about just because the guy can score goals doesn't mean anything when it comes to leadership.

Exactly. It's a different factor completely. I'm just showing how wrong you are in every facet of your hockey knowledge. It's a nice side effect.

You said he doesn't make a good captain because he's not a big scorer. Not only is your criteria wrong, he's leading the team in scoring.