Teh Song Thread

[LordShiva]

I think of Trance as electronic music with a synth base, and House as electronic music with a percussion base.

[C0ckney]

'silent shout' is electro, the thin white duke remix of 'what else is there' is house. neither sound trancy, but it's all a matter of opinion i suppose.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by LordShiva
It's not trance

It truly is. But it's good.

[Nostromo]

I think of Trance as electronic music with a synth base, and House as electronic music with a percussion base.

Lets not get into the definition game, shall we

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by LordShiva
I think of Trance as electronic music with a synth base, and House as electronic music with a percussion base.

there is a lot of house and techno (and well lots of stuff in different genres) with a synth base. likewise there are lots of trance tracks which have no lead and/or are very percussive.

[LordShiva]

What is the theory behind the classification then? I've always wondered, and I get asked a lot, too.

[Nostromo]

There's a lot of arbitrariness, IMO. Don't search for clear definitions of the different genres. You'll never find them. Its all fuzzy. And I guess that a lot of them were created for marketing purposes. Its probably more useful to think of it all in terms of prototypes.

Prototype theory is a model of graded categorization in Cognitive Science, where some members of a category are more central than others. For example, when asked to give an example of the concept furniture, chair is more frequently cited than, say, stool. Prototype theory also plays a central role in Linguistics, as part of the mapping from phonological structure to semantics.

As formulated in the 1970s by Eleanor Rosch and others, prototype theory was a radical departure from traditional necessary and sufficient conditions as in Aristotelian logic, which led to set-theoretic approaches of extensional or intensional semantics. Thus instead of a definition based model - e.g. a bird may be defined as elements with the features [+feathers], [+beak] and [+ability to fly], prototype theory would consider a category like bird as consisting of different elements which have unequal status - e.g. a robin is more prototypical of a bird than, say a penguin. This leads to a graded notion of categories, which is a central notion in many models of cognitive science and cognitive semantics, e.g. in the work of George Lakoff (Women, fire and dangerous things, 1987) or Ronald Langacker (Cognitive Grammar, vol. 1/2 1987/1991).

The term prototype has been defined in Eleanor Rosch's study "Natural Categories" (1973) and was first defined as a stimulus, which takes a salient position in the formation of a category as it is the first stimulus to be associated with that category. Later, she redefined it as the most central member of a category.

Ways in which human beings deal cognitively with their perceptions of the world.

For me, the Cheese Whiz, Tiesto, is the embodiment of trance

For a laugh, check out Ishkur's guide to Electronic Music. The following is a link to version 2.5. Ishkur is supposedly working on version 3.0 but he's taking his sweet time.

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/#

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by nostromo
There's a lot of arbitrariness, IMO. Don't search for clear definitions of the different genres. You'll never find them. Its all fuzzy.

QFT.

although if i hear a track, i'm confident that i can tell what genre it is. that said that said of course, there are many tracks which defy being pigeon holed.

For me, the Cheese Whiz, Tiesto, is the embodiment of trance

and yet the music he makes is a million miles away from what trance music started out as.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Budgie - Gunslinger

WTF?? I thought I was the only one left on this planet who still knows Budgie. Too bad my turntable doesn't work anymore...

[Nostromo]

I'm currently listening to some tracks on Ishkur:

Move - Overdrive

Awful, awful Japanese dance music. The kind of crap they have on Dance, dance revolution

[Hueij]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Lulu: To Sir With Love

Lulu

Talking about camp...

[Nostromo]

Dj Isaac - Face down ass up

Ishkur calls it 'Booty house'

[C0ckney]

rekleiner - the state of things

[Hueij]

My turn...

Lou Reed played in Holland last week and played the complete Berlin. I wasn't there...

[Nikolai]

Cascada - Neverending Dream