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    This one's really attractive because it also explains why the Minoan civilization vanished and because it plays into the fashionability of tsunamis.


    The wave that destroyed Atlantis

    By Harvey Lilley
    BBC Timewatch

    The legend of Atlantis, the country that disappeared under the sea, may be more than just a myth. Research on the Greek island of Crete suggests Europe's earliest civilisation was destroyed by a giant tsunami.

    Until about 3,500 years ago, a spectacular ancient civilisation was flourishing in the Eastern Mediterranean.

    The ancient Minoans were building palaces, paved streets and sewers, while most Europeans were still living in primitive huts.

    But around 1500BC the people who spawned the myths of the Minotaur and the Labyrinth abruptly disappeared. Now the mystery of their cataclysmic end may finally have been solved.

    A group of scientists have uncovered new evidence that the island of Crete was hit by a massive tsunami at the same time that Minoan culture disappeared.

    "The geo-archaeological deposits contain a number of distinct tsunami signatures," says Dutch-born geologist Professor Hendrik Bruins of the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in Israel.

    "Minoan building material, pottery and cups along with food residue such as isolated animal bones were mixed up with rounded beach pebbles and sea shells and microscopic marine fauna.

    "The latter can only have been scooped up from the sea-bed by one mechanism - a powerful tsunami, dumping all these materials together in a destructive swoop," says Professor Bruins.

    The deposits are up to seven metres above sea level, well above the normal reach of storm waves.

    "An event of ferocious force hit the coast of Crete and this wasn't just a Mediterranean storm," says Professor Bruins.

    Big wave

    The Minoans were sailors and traders. Most of their towns were along the coast, making them especially vulnerable to the effects of a tsunami.

    One of their largest settlements was at Palaikastro on the eastern edge of the island, one of the sites where Canadian archaeologist Sandy MacGillivray has been excavating for 25 years.

    Here, he has found other tell-tale signs such as buildings where the walls facing the sea are missing but side walls which could have survived a giant wave are left intact.

    "All of a sudden a lot of the deposits began making sense to us," says MacGillivary.

    "Even though the town of Palaikastro is a port it stretched hundreds of metres into the hinterland and is, in places, at least 15 metres above sea level. This was a big wave."

    But if this evidence is so clear why has it not been discovered before now?

    Tsunami expert Costas Synolakis, from the University of Southern California, says that the study of ancient tsunamis is in its infancy and people have not, until now, really known what to look for.

    Many scientists are still of the view that these waves only blasted material away and did not leave much behind in the way of deposits.

    But observation of the Asian tsunami of 2004 changed all that.

    "If you remember the video footage," says Costas, "some of it showed tonnes of debris being carried along by the wave and much of it was deposited inland."

    Volcanic eruption

    Costas Synolakis has come to the conclusion that the wave would have been as powerful as the one that devastated the coastlines of Thailand and Sri Lanka on Boxing day 2004 leading to the loss of over 250,000 lives.

    After decades studying the Minoans, MacGillivray is struck by the scale of the destruction.

    "The Minoans are so confident in their navy that they're living in unprotected cities all along the coastline. Now, you go to Bande Aceh [in Indonesia] and you find that the mortality rate is 80%. If we're looking at a similar mortality rate, that's the end of the Minoans."

    But what caused the tsunami? The scientists have obtained radiocarbon dates for the deposits that show the tsunami could have hit the coast at exactly the same time as an eruption of the Santorini volcano, 70 km north of Crete, in the middle of the second millennium BC.

    Recent scientific work has established that the Santorini eruption was up to 10 times more powerful than the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883. It caused massive climatic disruption and the blast was heard over 3000 miles away.

    Costas Synolakis thinks that the collapse of Santorini's giant volcanic cone into the sea during the eruption was the mechanism that generated a wave large enough to destroy the Minoan coastal towns.

    It is not clear if the tsunami could have reached inland to the Minoan capital at Knossos, but the fallout from the volcano would have carried other consequences - massive ash falls and crop failure. With their ports, trading fleet and navy destroyed, the Minoans would never have fully recovered.

    The myth of Atlantis, the city state that was lost beneath the sea, was first mentioned by Plato over 2000 years ago.

    It has had a hold on the popular imagination for centuries.

    Perhaps we now have an explanation of its origin - a folk memory of a real ancient civilisation swallowed by the sea.

    Timewatch: The wave that destroyed Atlantis is on BBC Two at 2100BST on Friday 20 April, 2007.
    Story from BBC NEWS:
    BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


    Published: 2007/04/20 08:05:45 GMT

    © BBC MMVII
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    History forum.
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    • #3
      Re: Atlantis theory #2,967

      Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
      This one's really attractive because it also explains why the Minoan civilization vanished and because it plays into the fashionability of tsunamis.


      The wave that destroyed Atlantis

      By Harvey Lilley
      BBC Timewatch

      The legend of Atlantis, the country that disappeared under the sea, may be more than just a myth. Research on the Greek island of Crete suggests Europe's earliest civilisation was destroyed by a giant tsunami.

      Until about 3,500 years ago, a spectacular ancient civilisation was flourishing in the Eastern Mediterranean.

      The ancient Minoans were building palaces, paved streets and sewers, while most Europeans were still living in primitive huts.

      But around 1500BC the people who spawned the myths of the Minotaur and the Labyrinth abruptly disappeared. Now the mystery of their cataclysmic end may finally have been solved.

      A group of scientists have uncovered new evidence that the island of Crete was hit by a massive tsunami at the same time that Minoan culture disappeared.

      "The geo-archaeological deposits contain a number of distinct tsunami signatures," says Dutch-born geologist Professor Hendrik Bruins of the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in Israel.

      "Minoan building material, pottery and cups along with food residue such as isolated animal bones were mixed up with rounded beach pebbles and sea shells and microscopic marine fauna.

      "The latter can only have been scooped up from the sea-bed by one mechanism - a powerful tsunami, dumping all these materials together in a destructive swoop," says Professor Bruins.

      The deposits are up to seven metres above sea level, well above the normal reach of storm waves.

      "An event of ferocious force hit the coast of Crete and this wasn't just a Mediterranean storm," says Professor Bruins.

      Big wave

      The Minoans were sailors and traders. Most of their towns were along the coast, making them especially vulnerable to the effects of a tsunami.

      One of their largest settlements was at Palaikastro on the eastern edge of the island, one of the sites where Canadian archaeologist Sandy MacGillivray has been excavating for 25 years.

      Here, he has found other tell-tale signs such as buildings where the walls facing the sea are missing but side walls which could have survived a giant wave are left intact.

      "All of a sudden a lot of the deposits began making sense to us," says MacGillivary.

      "Even though the town of Palaikastro is a port it stretched hundreds of metres into the hinterland and is, in places, at least 15 metres above sea level. This was a big wave."

      But if this evidence is so clear why has it not been discovered before now?

      Tsunami expert Costas Synolakis, from the University of Southern California, says that the study of ancient tsunamis is in its infancy and people have not, until now, really known what to look for.

      Many scientists are still of the view that these waves only blasted material away and did not leave much behind in the way of deposits.

      But observation of the Asian tsunami of 2004 changed all that.

      "If you remember the video footage," says Costas, "some of it showed tonnes of debris being carried along by the wave and much of it was deposited inland."

      Volcanic eruption

      Costas Synolakis has come to the conclusion that the wave would have been as powerful as the one that devastated the coastlines of Thailand and Sri Lanka on Boxing day 2004 leading to the loss of over 250,000 lives.

      After decades studying the Minoans, MacGillivray is struck by the scale of the destruction.

      "The Minoans are so confident in their navy that they're living in unprotected cities all along the coastline. Now, you go to Bande Aceh [in Indonesia] and you find that the mortality rate is 80%. If we're looking at a similar mortality rate, that's the end of the Minoans."

      But what caused the tsunami? The scientists have obtained radiocarbon dates for the deposits that show the tsunami could have hit the coast at exactly the same time as an eruption of the Santorini volcano, 70 km north of Crete, in the middle of the second millennium BC.

      Recent scientific work has established that the Santorini eruption was up to 10 times more powerful than the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883. It caused massive climatic disruption and the blast was heard over 3000 miles away.

      Costas Synolakis thinks that the collapse of Santorini's giant volcanic cone into the sea during the eruption was the mechanism that generated a wave large enough to destroy the Minoan coastal towns.

      It is not clear if the tsunami could have reached inland to the Minoan capital at Knossos, but the fallout from the volcano would have carried other consequences - massive ash falls and crop failure. With their ports, trading fleet and navy destroyed, the Minoans would never have fully recovered.

      The myth of Atlantis, the city state that was lost beneath the sea, was first mentioned by Plato over 2000 years ago.

      It has had a hold on the popular imagination for centuries.

      Perhaps we now have an explanation of its origin - a folk memory of a real ancient civilisation swallowed by the sea.

      Timewatch: The wave that destroyed Atlantis is on BBC Two at 2100BST on Friday 20 April, 2007.
      Story from BBC NEWS:
      BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


      Published: 2007/04/20 08:05:45 GMT

      © BBC MMVII
      And also..

      "It caused massive climatic disruption" - had to get that in somewhere as well!
      www.my-piano.blogspot

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      • #4
        So i'm here alone again
        I was wondering if you think i'm a mess
        What is the point of this?
        Did I miss it was going wrong
        And it had been this bad for so long
        When you place the blame
        Well it's such a shame
        When you act this way
        So whats the point of this
        Tsunami all in front of me
        Sit alone with a brewsky for the change its in the air
        It's around me
        It's all i wanna be
        I'll carry on maybe not that far to go now
        You said it to me
        Give it up will work
        It's all changed
        Too much, never ends
        Well i'm here alone again
        I was wondering if you think i'm a mess
        What is the point of this?
        Soon it'll become clear
        But until we get there
        We gotta work through the fear
        Well i know its rough
        When you must confront
        All the stuff you can bluff
        But i'm not here to impress you with fakeness
        I thought that this was real
        Assusmed too much
        What is the point of this?
        Well it seems worse than it is
        And i hope i'm right
        Because this i will miss
        But if we push on through
        Then we can prove
        There is too much to lose
        So whats the point of this?
        Waiting watching almost sleeping
        Lonely hurting hope i'm keeping
        I run falling over
        Here comes that tsunami again
        "Yay Apoc!!!!!!!" - bipolarbear
        "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
        "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
        "In Apoc, I had one soldier who lasted through the entire game... was pretty cool. I like apoc for that reason, the soldiers are a bit more 'personal'." - General Ludd

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        • #5
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          • #6
            You only just noticed that?
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            • #7
              I thought they dated Santorini to 1628 BC

              anyway, its possible... The assumption required is that Plato (and Solon and his Egyptian sources) mistook 9,000 years for 900. But certainly the Minoans were known and certainly known by the Egyptians. Why would Egyptians confuse the two?

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              • #8
                It's NOT a new theory...
                "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                Middle East!

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                • #9
                  The real question is, what role did the oscillations of Neptune's orbit play in setting off this mess.

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                  • #10

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                    • #11
                      Slow news day? This theory is old ...
                      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                      • #12
                        Im not sure what Baruk Khazad is , but if they speak Judeo-Dwarvish, that would be "blessed are the dwarves" - lord of the mark

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
                          History forum.
                          myth forum

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                          • #14
                            Not myth. History. Not only the happening but also the theory itself.

                            I've heard of it in 1985, when I prepared a presentation on Mykenian culture in preparation to our class' tour to Greece. And also then, the theory that the Santorini/Thera eruption ended Minoan culture was anything but new.
                            Why doing it the easy way if it is possible to do it complicated?

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                            • #15
                              Never said theory #2,967 is new.
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