Agni III test fired successfully: India joins the ICBM club!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Barnabas
I think China, which has been growing at high rates for more years than india, still grows at a higher rate than india.

isnt india´s growth around 7% per year while China´s almsot 10 %? and probably more the next year due to olympics

I think its more like 10% to India's 8.5 %.

Yup China is still growing faster. But the implication that India is not removing people from poverty, or that things will never change for poor Indias, is just silly.

[Barnabas]

I am kind of sad we will neer get to see massive wars with super massive armies fighting in Tibet due to MAD, imagine 5 million indians versus 5 million chinese with ak 47s, that is like a whole portugal fighting

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Re: Re: Agni III test fired successfully: India joins the ICBM club!

Originally posted by LordShiva
Of course. This is true for every country on Earth (minus the Hindu civilization bit).

The question, rather, is whether we can give you cause for having second thoughts before doing so.

No.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Barnabas
I am kind of sad we will neer get to see massive wars with super massive armies fighting in Tibet due to MAD, imagine 5 million indians versus 5 million chinese with ak 47s, that is like a whole portugal fighting

You are an amazing poster.

[LordShiva]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Agni III test fired successfully: India joins the ICBM club!

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


No.

Yes.

The article doesn't mention MAAHOCEIYCDI (Mutually Assured Ability to Hurt the Other Country Even If You Can't Destroy It), which, I would think, is also a strong (albeit lesser) influence on policymakers.

[Kuciwalker]

Not if we can actually launch a crippling first strike. The weaknesses it mentioned imply that we could very well eliminate most or all of an opponent's ability to retaliate.

[LordShiva]

Right now, yes. But that point is moot since India doesn't even currently have the US in range.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
China opened up to world trade and investment about a decade earlier than India. And had a large wealthy overseas Chinese community interested in investing from the beginning, etc. And closer physical proximity to the high wage markets of Japan and the 4 tigers.

I think India's trajectory looks at least as good as China's.

India is doing pretty good though economic growth averages two- three points lower per year then China so it won't be catching up any time soon. India's politicians really did cling to socialist over regulation for to long and so they they didn't start their reforms until the 90's while China started it's reforms in the 70's. Give India 20-30 and it will be where China is now though it will still be behind China; assuming current trends hold.

The Indian government does need to over come it's head-rectal inversion and start getting some power plants built (so there routine power outages stop), some real interstates freeways built, and they need to really improve the entire education system. Something like 40% of the population of India is illiterate and that's just unacceptable. The elites get a great education but the vast majority get crap. China at least is delivering a quality basic education to even the poorest peasants and that's a huge reason China will continue to outperform India.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Oerdin
India is doing pretty good though economic growth averages two- three points lower per year then China so it won't be catching up any time soon. India's politicians really did cling to socialist over regulation for to long and so they they didn't start their reforms until the 90's while China started it's reforms in the 70's. Give India 20-30 and it will be where China is now though it will still be behind China; assuming current trends hold.

The Indian government does need to over come it's head-rectal inversion and start getting some power plants built (so there routine power outages stop), some real interstates freeways built, and they need to really improve the entire education system. Something like 40% of the population of India is illiterate and that's just unacceptable. The elites get a great education but the vast majority get crap. China at least is delivering a quality basic education to even the poorest peasants and that's a huge reason China will continue to outperform India.

Pretty much a QFT.

India won't be able to compete with China economically until one of a couple things take hold:

- China's demographics become unfavourable to rapid growth (already gradually happening - the "get old before they get rich" syndrome)

- The world economy shifts further towards being knowledge-based than it is now. Right now, India's arguable edge in "creative/innovative" sectors doesn't account for much as assembly-line manufacturing makes up the majority of the emerging world's competitive advantage.

[Straybow]

China's 10% growth rate is probably exaggerated.

[Barnabas]

You think they do fake accounting?

[Admiral]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Right now, yes. But that point is moot since India doesn't even currently have the US in range.

You need a totally different infrastructure to detect and respond to an ICBM range nuclear launch than a, say, Pakistani launch. Given the unlikelihood of an Indian nuclear exchange with Russia, the US, France or Great Britain, I'd imagine that building this infrastructure would not be high on the list of Indian defense spending.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Not if we can actually launch a crippling first strike. The weaknesses it mentioned imply that we could very well eliminate most or all of an opponent's ability to retaliate.

Good to see Kuci has come around.

[Kuciwalker]

I wasn't talking about Russia.

[notyoueither]

You have sung a different tune not so long ago.