Questions about the english language

[Barnabas]

Is there some subtle difference between the pronounciation of the "J" in joke and the "SH" in she? Or do they sound the same?.

[Jon Miller]

They are completely different. SH is also like in SHeep or SHoe, while J is also like in Jumbo or Job.

Jon Miller

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't listen to Shawn Miller. They're pretty much the same...

[Kuciwalker]

You bastard

[DRoseDARs]

You confuse him for Ming, sir.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
They are completely different. SH is also like in SHeep or SHoe, while J is also like in Jumbo or Job.

Jon Miller

how many times must one have Jon Miller in his post

your sig your post and your username my god

[KrazyHorse]

Re: Questions about the english language, a thread that will be bumped numerous times

Originally posted by Barnabas
Is there some subtle difference between the pronounciation of the "J" in joke and the "SH" in she? Or do they sound the same?.

There are two differences:

1) sh as in she is voiceless. It involves no vibrations in your larynx. j as in joke is voiced. In addition to the sound made by your tongue, your larynx also makes a sound.

2) j begins with a "stop". The flow of air through your mouth is stopped abruptly and then allowed to resume. sh does not begin with a stop.

The location of the tongue while making both sounds is similar (behind the teeth at the front of the mouth.

Technically, "sh" is a post-alveolar (this describes the location of the tongue) voiceless (this describes whether or not the larynx makes a sound) fricative (this describes the mechanics of the sound; a fricative is a sound formed by passing air through a narrow gap in your mouth, in this case between tongue and roof of mouth, while an affricate is simply a fricative preceded by a stop) while "j" is a post-alveolar voiced affricate.

[KrazyHorse]

http://umsis.miami.edu/~kjacobso/540p1/phonemes16k/phonemes.htm

for examples (with sound)

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


how many times must one have Jon Miller in his post

your sig your post and your username my god

Wiggy

[KrazyHorse]

If you want a progression:

sh as in she = post-alveolar voiceless fricative

now add a stop

ch as in cheap = post alveolar voiceless affricate

now add voice

j as in joke = post-alveolar voiced affricate

[Barnabas]

What is seen as better, to pronounce the word ending er as a vowel like the english do, something like "watah" or to pronounce er as it is written?

[Barnabas]

Also, does it sound strange to native speakers if someone pronounces the t´s as t´s for example in little ? (which is pronounced similar to the spanish r in caro)

[Japher]

eh?


I mean

er?

[Zkribbler]

It depends where you are.

If you're in England, pronounce it like the English.
If you're in the N.E. U.S.A., say the "r."

[Japher]

t's and r's never sound the same in english...