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    So I and a Randian freind were discussing politics a bit. He really hates wealth transfer (obviously).

    His view of an idea government consisted of:
    Police (to enforce contracts)
    Military (to defend aganst outside elements)
    Court (just to deal with contracts)

    I think that that plainly won't work. I mean, the US was more capitalist once, and our social security and other such things are a result of it not working during the Great Depression. The options were either the government did something about it (wealth transfer) or there would be a revolt (Sometimes I think if we had had a revolt, that we would be in a better state now (more socialist)).

    Now I suggested a slight modification of his... the issues are of course that people are forced into slavery for food (especially) and don't have the capital necessary for employment and so must sell themselves to others.

    But we live in the information age, very little capital is needed now. Basically just a compute rand a net connection and you can find emplyoment, and you can learn over the computer as well.

    So add a 4th thing that the govenment provides: Internet Cafes. These would be free for anyone (not just the poor) to use. The idea is than if someone has no capital to get employment.. they can use the internet to gain intellectual capital and the computer/internet would provide them the tools necessary to market that capital and use it for profit. Soup would also be provided. (My Randian freind also said that people over the age of 20 couldn't stay longer than 4 hours per day)

    The network of Cafes and the like would serve as sort of the backbone of the public internet.

    So I know this is no longer libertarian. And it probably still has holes. But it does sort of remove the wealth transfer issue that some seem to have so many problems with.

    There is also the issue of corporations not being forward thinking enoguh. That is why they try to pollute a lot, etc. There is also the issue of corruption still, do to who gives the military contracts (and police, and Cafes, and courts).

    Anyways, I like discussing and thinking about Utopias, what do others think?

    Jon Miller
    Jon Miller-
    I AM.CANADIAN
    GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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    Randians don't have friends. They have expendable humans they can use to block the rocks others throw at them for being disciples of a psychotic money-grubbing she-ghoul.
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    • #3
      Well, yeah. He is my freind, I didn't say I was his.

      Jon Miller
      Jon Miller-
      I AM.CANADIAN
      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Elok
        Randians don't have friends. They have expendable humans they can use to block the rocks others throw at them for being disciples of a psychotic money-grubbing she-ghoul.
        bleh

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        • #5
          BTW, is Randism becoming more popular? My Mother's Husband is one (or close to one). This guy (really my Best Freind's freind). Most people I know grow out of it fairly rapidly...

          To be honest, he (this freind) is sort of a crap human being, but I like him anyways.

          Jon Miller
          Jon Miller-
          I AM.CANADIAN
          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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          • #6
            Use this form to insult a group of people.
            ________ don't have friends. They have expendable humans they can use to block the rocks others throw at them for being disciples of a psychotic _________ ___-ghoul.

            Ex:
            Commie don't have friends. They have expendable humans they can use to block the rocks others throw at them for being disciples of a psychotic power-grubbing he-ghoul.

            Christian don't have friends. They have expendable humans they can use to block the rocks others throw at them for being disciples of a psychotic hippie-grubbing he-ghoul.

            p.s.: don't know what grubbing means... but anyway,,,
            bleh

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            • #7
              Every person who has been a Randian comes across as a **** human being. The philosophy is really that evil.

              Jon Miller
              Jon Miller-
              I AM.CANADIAN
              GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jon Miller
                BTW, is Randism becoming more popular?
                If by Randism you mean Libertarianism, then I think that the answer to that is yes. In my experience, it is seriously competing with traditional conservatism (economically libertarian, socially traditionalist / authoritarian) amongst the young, right-leaning American.
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                • #9
                  Libertarrianism isn't realistic. It isn't evil like Randism is.

                  And yes, this guy is a Randian. I think my mom's husband might claim just to be 'heavily influenced' by her.

                  Jon Miller
                  Jon Miller-
                  I AM.CANADIAN
                  GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jon Miller
                    To be honest, he is sort of a crap human being, but I like him anyways.

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                    • #11
                      The thread title is a bit misleading: I believe the appropriate word to describe a society set up in the Randian ideal is distopia.
                      "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                      -Joan Robinson

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                      • #12
                        Randism

                        I can't believe it took 12 posts.
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                        • #13
                          read Thomas More's "Utopia", Thomas Hobbes "Leviathon", Plato "Republic", Francis Bacon "New Atlantis"

                          all nice

                          I also like the idea of Dystopia literature
                          Monkey!!!

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                          • #14
                            I dont think people should die because they dont have enough money for medicine or an expensive surgery, so I favour the sate giving free health care to everybody.

                            Libertarians think that would be avoided thru charity and donations, but it is bull**** for numerous reasons.

                            I think they are generally greedy and immoral.
                            I need a foot massage

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                            • #15
                              Problem is that there is a fine line between reasonible medical treatment and extreme yet functional treatment. I definitly do not agree with socialized medicine, but at the same time I want to treat everyone but have promote competitive research and ground breaking surgeries. Laissez faire works best for innovation but does nothing for charity or humanity.

                              My Utopia would have government put needs before wants, and work diligently to define a basis for a standard of living. IMO, this is why communism is nice since this basis can be regulated. However, it requires a level of government that discourages innovation.

                              American government, the opposite extreme to communism, goes way beyond what one needs and begins bothering with one wants. This is the big problem, and in my Utopia the balancing equation would be a basis for all/most systems.
                              Monkey!!!

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