Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Cornelius Fudge Says : No Global War on Terrorism

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Cornelius Fudge Says : No Global War on Terrorism

    No more GWOT, House committee decrees
    By Rick Maze - Staff writer
    Posted : Wednesday Apr 4, 2007 16:11:56 EDT

    The House Armed Services Committee is banishing the global war on terror from the 2008 defense budget.

    This is not because the war has been won, lost or even called off, but because the committee’s Democratic leadership doesn’t like the phrase.

    A memo for the committee staff, circulated March 27, says the 2008 bill and its accompanying explanatory report that will set defense policy should be specific about military operations and “avoid using colloquialisms.”

    The “global war on terror,” a phrase first used by President Bush shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S., should not be used, according to the memo. Also banned is the phrase the “long war,” which military officials began using last year as a way of acknowledging that military operations against terrorist states and organizations would not be wrapped up in a few years.

    Committee staff members are told in the memo to use specific references to specific operations instead of the Bush administration’s catch phrases. The memo, written by Staff Director Erin Conaton, provides examples of acceptable phrases, such as “the war in Iraq,” the “war in Afghanistan, “operations in the Horn of Africa” or “ongoing military operations throughout the world.”

    “There was no political intent in doing this,” said a Democratic aide who asked not to be identified. “We were just trying to avoid catch phrases.”

    Josh Holly, a spokesman for Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, the committee’s former chairman and now its senior Republican, said Republicans “were not consulted” about the change.

    Committee aides, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said dropping or reducing references to the global war on terror could have many purposes, including an effort to be more precise about military operations, but also has a political element involving a disagreement over whether the war in Iraq is part of the effort to combat terrorism or is actually a distraction from fighting terrorists.

    House Democratic leaders who have been pushing for an Iraq withdrawal timetable have talked about the need to get combat troops out of Iraq so they can be deployed against terrorists in other parts of the world, while Republicans have said that Iraq is part of the front line in the war on terror. Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., the armed services committee chairman, has been among those who have complained that having the military tied up with Iraq operations has reduced its capacity to respond to more pressing problems, like tracking down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

    “This is a philosophical and political question,” said a Republican aide. “Republicans generally believe that by fighting the war on terror in Iraq, we are preventing terrorists from spreading elsewhere and are keeping them engaged so they are not attacking us at home.”

    However, U.S. intelligence officials have been telling Congress that most of the violence in Iraq is the result of sectarian strife and not directly linked to terrorists, although some foreign insurgents with ties to terrorist groups have been helping to fuel the fighting.

    “You have to wonder if this means that we have to rename the GWOT,” said a Republican aide, referring to the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal and the Global War on Terrorism Service Medals established in 2003 for service members involved, directly and indirectly, in military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the world.

    “If you are a reader of the Harry Potter books, you might describe this as the war that must not be named,” said another Republican aide. That is a reference to the fact that the villain in the Harry Potter series, Lord Voldemort, is often referred to as “he who must not be named” because of fears of his dark wizardry.
    Linky
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

  • #2
    “If you are a reader of the Harry Potter books, you might describe this as the war that must not be named,” said another Republican aide.
    Imran?
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

    Comment


    • #3
      Good. That phrase is utter ****, and the sooner we stop muttering that lie, the better.
      If you don't like reality, change it! me
      "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
      "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

      Comment


      • #4
        Pfff.

        While the "War on Drugs" exists, I fail to see the fuss over the phrase "War on Terror."
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

        Comment


        • #5
          Both phrases should be dumped, they are both idiotic.
          If you don't like reality, change it! me
          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by GePap
            Good. That phrase is utter ****, and the sooner we stop muttering that lie, the better.
            actually they havent said the WOT doesnt exist, they just dont want to use it in budget documents, cause its a colloquilism. Also perhaps cause they dont want to get into questions of whether or not an expenditure on Iraq is part of the WOT or not.

            The Repubs have jumped on this as denial that the WOT exists, but thats just Repub blarney.

            Nobody mainstream denied the cold war existed, but nobody put it into DOD budget docs, AFAIK.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

            Comment


            • #7
              I don't know why you say that, but the name means nada.
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by lord of the mark


                actually they havent said the WOT doesnt exist, they just dont want to use it in budget documents, cause its a colloquilism. Also perhaps cause they dont want to get into questions of whether or not an expenditure on Iraq is part of the WOT or not.

                The Repubs have jumped on this as denial that the WOT exists, but thats just Repub blarney.

                Nobody mainstream denied the cold war existed, but nobody put it into DOD budget docs, AFAIK.
                Then both parties are still living in a costly and moronic fantasy land. The "war on terror" is a fiction, a bad and expensive and costly one at that, and sadly for us, it is being waged by a bunch of ideological midgets whose incompetence has been gigantic.
                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

                Comment


                • #9
                  besides, didnt the admin already decide to call it Gsave? The global struggle against violent extremism?
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    They should call it "Cntl-Alt-Del" and all that implies.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GePap


                      Then both parties are still living in a costly and moronic fantasy land. The "war on terror" is a fiction, a bad and expensive and costly one at that, and sadly for us, it is being waged by a bunch of ideological midgets whose incompetence has been gigantic.
                      If we called it the "War on al qaeeda and its violent Salafist allies, alongside a struggle against other terrorist groups that are opposed to our interestd and our allies's existence, like Hamas and Hezbollah" it would smell just as sweet. If you for one moment thought that Dem party had suddenly decided to soften its position on Hamas and Hezb, reaffirmed by Ms Pelosi in her current trip, than YOU are an idiot.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        It's then, not than. In your use, it's then.
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SlowwHand
                          It's then, not than. In your use, it's then.
                          it must be clear by now, I play fast and loose with spelling, capitalization, etc, when posting on the interweb. I will edit carefully the moment Im paid for my posts.
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lord of the mark


                            If we called it the "War on al qaeeda and its violent Salafist allies, alongside a struggle against other terrorist groups that are opposed to our interestd and our allies's existence, like Hamas and Hezbollah" it would smell just as sweet. If you for one moment thought that Dem party had suddenly decided to soften its position on Hamas and Hezb, reaffirmed by Ms Pelosi in her current trip, than YOU are an idiot.


                            I don't even know where to start with this crap, I really don't.

                            To link our policy vs. global salafist groups and lump with with our policy towards Lebanon (and Hezbollah) and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (and Hamas) is part of the incompetence that is making everything worse.

                            To view those two groups as the same thing as AQ is part of why this phrase is so stupid and should be removed. Sadly people who think like you are the ones formulating policy. We can see how succesful they have been in Iraq. Yeah, lets spread that policy....

                            If you don't like reality, change it! me
                            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              Pfff.

                              While the "War on Drugs" exists, I fail to see the fuss over the phrase "War on Terror."
                              So ... the one idiocy excuses the other one?
                              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X