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    Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes'

    Bones thought to be the holy remains of 15th Century French heroine Joan of Arc were in fact made from an Egyptian mummy and a cat, research has revealed.

    In 1867, a jar was found in a Paris pharmacy attic, along with a label claiming it held relics of Joan's body.

    But new forensic tests suggest that the remains date from between the third and sixth centuries BC - hundreds of years before Joan was even born.

    The study has been reported in the news pages of the Nature journal.

    Forensic scientist Dr Philippe Charlier, who led the investigation, told Nature: "I'd never have thought that it could be from a mummy."

    Rouen relics

    France's national heroine - canonised in 1920 - was convicted of heresy and witchcraft and burned alive in 1431, aged just 19.

    The "relics" were said to have been found at the stake in the Normandy town of Rouen where Joan was burned.


    Perhaps it was created to increase the importance of the process of beatification in 1909
    Philippe Charlier, Raymond Poincare Hospital
    The remains consisted of a charred-looking human rib, chunks of what appeared to be blackened wood, a 15-centimetre fragment of linen, and a cat thigh bone.

    In medieval Europe it was common practice to throw black cats into the pyres of supposed witches.

    Recognised as genuine and sacred by the Church, the "remains" are now housed in a museum in Chinon belonging to the Archdiocese of Tours.

    Stink bombshell

    Dr Charlier, from the Raymond Poincare Hospital in Garches, near Paris, obtained permission to study the relics from the France's Catholic Church last year.

    He used a range of scientific tests such as spectrometry, electron microscopy, and pollen analysis.

    Joan of Arc remains Image: Nature
    The remains were found in the attic of a Paris pharmacy
    Those tests dated the bone to between the seventh and third centuries BC, Dr Charlier said. The cat bone dated from the same period and also was mummified.

    The researchers also found pollen from pine trees, probably from resin used in ancient Egyptian embalming. Pines did not grow in Normandy during the 15th Century.

    Dr Charlier also recruited two smell experts, Sylvaine Delacourte and Jean-Michel Duriez, from the perfume industry.

    They were independently asked to sniff the relics as well as nine other samples of bone and hair from Dr Charlier's lab without being told what they were.

    Both smelled hints of "burnt plaster" and "vanilla" in the samples. The plaster smell backs up claims that Joan was burnt on a plaster stake, to make the spectacle last longer.

    But a vanilla smell is inconsistent with cremation. It comes from the compound vanillin, which is released during the decomposition of a body.

    Medicinal purpose

    Analysis of the black crust covering the rib and the cat bone showed that it was not caused by fire, but an embalming mix of wood resins, bitumen and chemicals such as malachite.

    In medieval times and later, powdered mummy remains were used for medicinal purposes, "to treat stomach ailments, long or painful periods, all blood problems," Philippe Charlier told the Associated Press.

    The researchers' assumption is that a 19th Century apothecary was behind the fake, and transformed the remains of an Egyptian mummy into a fake relic, Dr Charlier said.

    Why it was done remains a mystery.

    According to Philippe Charlier it was probably not for money: "Perhaps it was for religious reasons.

    "Perhaps it was created to increase the importance of the process of beatification in 1909."

    So they killed a kitten for her?
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    She'll arise into undeath and kill us all!
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    • #3
      Not all. Just the English...
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      • #4
        DUH! She was burned at the stake for being a witch.
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        • #5
          Not for being a witch, for being thought to be a witch.
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          • #6
            She was a whore and died accordingly. Jeanne d'Arc wasn't all cool, just like Gandhi had a very suspicious character. These are two examples of people, where history was too kind on their reputation.

            Did you know Jeanne d'Arc personally ordered the death of all the women in some village as revenge for what was supposedly done in her village earlier? That's right, she was a die hard lesbian, and couldnt' stand the vagina power in a village so she had trhem all raped and killed, after which she enjoyed herself some necrophilia.

            I wouldn't praise a person like that no matter what the accomplishments are.
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            • #7
              WTF Pekka?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pekka
                She was a whore and died accordingly. Jeanne d'Arc wasn't all cool, just like Gandhi had a very suspicious character. These are two examples of people, where history was too kind on their reputation.

                Did you know Jeanne d'Arc personally ordered the death of all the women in some village as revenge for what was supposedly done in her village earlier? That's right, she was a die hard lesbian, and couldnt' stand the vagina power in a village so she had trhem all raped and killed, after which she enjoyed herself some necrophilia.

                I wouldn't praise a person like that no matter what the accomplishments are.
                Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                Do you have any sort of factual basis for this claim?


                Spec.
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