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  • Imran, let's keep current politics out of the discussion of the following.

    It is my understanding that the executive conducts foreign policy and the legislature approves it or does not approve it by ratifying treaties, confirming abassadors and generals, legislating in the area of international commerce and funding the executive.

    Legislative fact finding is as old as the hills and generally does not comprised "conducting" foreign policy as the legislators cannot agree to anything that would legally bind the United States. But, when the legislature asserts the power on the one had to cut off funding for a war, to set delines, to control troop deployment, etc., etc., and on the other begins direct negotiations with foreign leaders that are involved in the conflict to one degree or another, that combination is going a bit too far. The legislature is negotiating in a way that can affect the United States because the legislature can, in some measure, deliver on its promises by exercising the above-referenced power.

    The combination of negotiation plus the power to act to carry out any aggreements is the problem. It is a major, if not total, ursurpation of excective-branch function to be the exclusive "conductor" of foreign policy. If it were not for the veto, the president may actually lose total control over foreign policy under these circumstances. But if he has to resort to the veto to control the legislature's foreign policy, he basically is no longer in control and is no longer conducting foreign policy.

    No foreign leader will listen to him as they know they will have to deal instead with the legislature. The armed forces will now pay attention to the legislature which is calling the shots in every regard. The presidency will be reduced to a figurehead.
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    • It is my understanding that the executive conducts foreign policy and the legislature approves it or does not approve it


      Not exactly. Legislative power over foreign affairs gives them great power over foreign policy.

      I don't believe that the founders created separation of powers to ignore it when it comes to foreign policy.

      But if he has to resort to the veto to control the legislature's foreign policy, he basically is no longer in control and is no longer conducting foreign policy.


      Which is part of the separation of powers, especially when the legislature is of the opposition party.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • I don't believe that the founders created separation of powers to ignore it when it comes to foreign policy.


        Neither does Ned.

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        • how do you know laws are unconstitutional kuci?
          "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
          'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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          • How do SCOTUS justices?

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            • how do you know laws are unconstitutional kuci?
              By reading the Constitution

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              • Nancy, the true president of the United States, is going to Iran. Date to be determined.

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                • good for her ...

                  *zzzz*
                  "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                  • If Bush were a man instead of a balless wimp, he'd have her arrested under the Logan Act.
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                    • Originally posted by Ned
                      Nancy, the true president of the United States, is going to Iran. Date to be determined.

                      http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...AGV9P6C0S6.DTL
                      So if she can bring herself to talk to Iran and Syria, why can't she talk to Bush about funding troops?
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        So if she can bring herself to talk to Iran and Syria, why can't she talk to Bush about funding troops?
                        She knows that talking to a head of state gives him or her credibilty. That's why she only talks to enemies of the United States and Israel.
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