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  • Best opportunity for peace in 2 decades...

    ...as full scale war returns to Mogadishu.

    Somalis cower as fighting rages

    The Red Cross says it has deep concerns for civilians trapped in the Somali capital, Mogadishu, as major fighting goes on between troops and rebels.

    The death toll continues to mount even as people cowered inside from what they say is the worst fighting in 15 years.

    Ethiopian troops, in support of the Somali government, began an offensive against Islamist rebels three days ago.

    Meanwhile, a human rights body accused the US of detaining fleeing Somalis in a pact with neighbouring countries.

    Human Rights Watch (HRW) said dozens of people fleeing the Somali conflict had been stopped at the Kenyan border, handed to the US for interrogation, repatriated to Somalia and then passed on to Ethiopia, where they had "effectively disappeared".

    "Each of these governments has played a shameful role in mistreating people fleeing a war zone," HRW's deputy Africa director, Georgette Gagnon, said in a statement.

    The US is believed to have offered support to Ethiopian troops as they ousted the Islamists, who took control of Mogadishu last year.

    The US declined to comment on the HRW allegations, but its ambassador to the region, Michael Ranneberger, repeated US claims that the Islamists were linked to al-Qaeda.

    Since the Islamists had been removed, he told BBC News, it became clear "that in fact the al-Qaeda connections were even more extensive than we had realised".

    No formal death toll

    Mr Ranneberger said despite the upsurge in fighting, Somalia was still "at the best opportunity they have had in almost two decades to achieve lasting peace and stability".

    But for civilians in Mogadishu, that seemed a long way off.

    "We have never seen such fighting, it's the worst ever seen in Mogadishu," resident Habibo Hasan told the AFP news agency by telephone.

    There has been no formal death toll, but estimates of dozens are likely to prove severe underestimates, agencies say.

    "We don't know where to go. We are trapped in our houses and dead bodies are lying in the street," resident Ibrahim Duale said.

    Abdullahi Ahmed Gedi said: "The mortar hit our house. My wife and my daughter died at the same place, and also my brother died immediately from the attack. They used to help me walk, because I am disabled, and now two other members of my family are also injured."

    A reader of the BBC News website emailed to say he had just seen his cousin being raped.

    Soldiers on way

    Even though many people could not make it to hospital, medical facilities were overwhelmed.

    Doctors at the two main hospitals said they had received 380 casualties since Thursday.

    "We are operating with only half our surgeons here, and the doctors who are here have now been working without relief for the last three days," Sheikhdon Salad Elmi, director of the city's main Madina Hospital, told Reuters.

    Thousands of others were reported to be fleeing the capital.

    Meanwhile, witnesses said hundreds of fresh Ethiopian soldiers were being sent to the city as reinforcements.

    A resident of Beledweyne, 355km (220 miles) north of the capital, said he saw "at least a battalion of Ethiopian troops" heading south, "supported by heavy war machines".
    Those comments by Somalis (if they're real) below the article are pretty harrowing:

    No body can stay his/her home because of the heavy fighting going in Mogadishu between local Militia and Ethiopian Troops. I saw Ethiopians firing the fleeing people including old mums, kids and pregnant women, also the Somali militia are firing from among the civilians, so there is no safety place in Mogadishu these agony days of the worst war. This is unforgettable sadness in my mind, because I am wearying about my family's lives. I would say Allah may safe innocents in Mogadishu.

    Mohamed Ali Madka, Mogadishu, Somalia
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  • #2
    Wow, another conflict involving muslims. The religion of peace.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Drixnak
      Wow, another conflict involving muslims. The religion of peace.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Drixnak
        Wow, another conflict involving muslims. The religion of peace.
        QFT.

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        • #5
          Re: Best opportunity for peace in 2 decades...

          Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
          ...as full scale war returns to Mogadishu.
          That's such a ****ing shame.
          "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
          "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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          • #6
            It's their nature.

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            • #7
              In case people had missed it.

              Helicopters fire on Somali market

              Injured man being taken to hospital Ethiopian helicopter gunships have fired at a market near an insurgent stronghold in the Somali capital.

              The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan in Mogadishu says hundreds of insurgents armed with rocket launchers and machine guns are battling Ethiopian troops.

              Ethiopian tanks are also deployed. Crowds dragged several dead bodies in uniform through the streets.

              The security crackdown in the south of the city is being billed as a three-day operation to restore order.

              Meanwhile, Ethiopia says two-thirds of its troops have withdrawn from Somalia.

              Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi told parliament the rest of his troops, which are deployed in support of the interim government, would leave in consultation with the African Union.

              Ethiopian troops helped install the government last December but have been gradually handing over responsibilities to the AU force that was deployed to Mogadishu this month to try and bring stability to the city.

              Some 1,700 Ugandan troops are in Mogadishu as the advance party of a planned 8,000 strong AU force.

              No-go zone

              In a dawn operation, at least six people died in the fighting which broke a ceasefire declared a week ago and was brokered by elders form the Hawiye clan - the biggest in Mogadishu - but Ethiopia denied reaching any deal.

              Ethiopian tanks, troops and helicopters are trying to take control of five key junctions.

              The militia responded with heavy artillery fire.

              The southern part of Mogadishu, where the fighting is going on, has become a no-go zone.

              Dozens of injured civilians are stranded, as heavy fighting has grounded public transport and other business activity in the Somali capital.

              "This is the worst fighting Mogadishu has seen since the Islamists were ousted. Explosions can be heard all over the city and many people are just holed up in their homes," resident Zenaib Abubakar told the BBC Somali Service.

              Ms Abubakar said heavy shelling is taking place near the main stadium, where Ethiopian and government troops are battling with insurgents who are putting up heavy resistance.

              "It's difficult to tell how many people have been injured or killed because fighting is taking place in several parts of the capital and communication today is not very good," said another resident, Ahmed Noor.

              The interim government has blamed the escalating violence in the capital on remnants of the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC).

              Somalia enjoyed a six months lull in the insecurity that had dogged the country in the past 16 years, when the UIC took power last year.

              But insecurity has returned to the city.

              The UN estimates that 40,000 people have fled Mogadishu since February.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                It's their nature.
                And apparently it's in US' nature to pick vile regimes such as Ethiopia's as allies.
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                • #9
                  Ethiopia

                  Jah
                  KH FOR OWNER!
                  ASHER FOR CEO!!
                  GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                  • #10
                    Choosing between a state of war and a legal system using stonig - I actually prefer the state of war.
                    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                    Steven Weinberg

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                    • #11
                      When something of this fvcked-up-ness happens, I'm more concerned about the people and civilians suffering than some idiotic ideological battle. The first order of business is to bring stability, even if it is at the cost of liberty. In a scenario as FUBAR as Somalia, even Islamists and the imposition of Sharia law are acceptable, temporarily, if it brings peace.





                      I'll reproduce here the excellent set of speeches in the Ramayana about what happens to a kingdom without a king, delivered by eminent people and ministers after the death of the king which was caused due to his favourite son, and the heir to the throne, being forced into exile by the manipulations of one of his wives, leaving nobody to administer the state (in the modern context, it refers to what happens to a state without a strong and stabilising centre of power):


                      Ayodhya Kanda
                      Canto LXVII

                      That night, which was full of laments and shorn of joy and (therefore) appeared long and was thronged with crowds of tearful men, in Ayodhya came to an end. (1) Coming together at sunrise, when the night had ended, Brahmanas who carried on all the duties of a king (during the interregnum) arrived for their part at the court. (2) Seated with their faces turned towards Vasistha alone, the arch-priest of the royal family, Markandeya and Maudgalya, Vamadeva and Kasyapa, Katyayana and Gautama, as well a Jabali, who enjoyed great fame, these Brahmanas along with the ministers separately made speeches (the substance of which is given below:-) (3-4) "The yonder king having met his end due to grief born of separation from his sons (Rama and Laksmana), the night, which weighed upon us like a hundred years, has ended with difficulty. (5) Not only is the emperor away in heaven but Sri Rama too has taken up his abode in the forest. Nay, the powerful Laksmana too has left with the same Sri Rama. (6) Both Bharata and Satrughna, who are capable of chastising the enemy, are in the lovely palace of their maternal grandfather at his capital, Rajagrha, in the Kekaya kingdom. (7) Someone among the sons of Dasaratha (who are scions of Ikswaku) should be crowned king this very day; for without a ruler our state (of Kosala) may meet with ruin. (8)

                      In a land destitute of a ruler the thundering cloud wrathed with lightning does not drench the Earth with rain water. (9) In a rulerless land handfuls of seeds are no longer scattered (for fear of uncertainty of crops). (Nay) in a rulerless land a son is not amenable to the control of his father nor is a wife amenable to the control of her husband (there being no executive authority to enforce correct conduct). (10) In a rulerless land there is no personal property (in the absence of a protector) nor is there a (faithful) wife in a rulerless land (there being no laws to check adultery). There is this great risk in a rulerless territory. How can any other form of truthfulness (virtue) prevail? (11) In a rulerless land, people do not construct assembly halls (for public gatherings, there being no such gatherings) nor do joyous men plant lovely gardens (for fear of them being destroyed by enemies of peace and order) or build sacred houses (such as temples and buildings for the free accommodation of travellers and strangers etc.) (12) In a rulerless land the twice-born (other than the Brahmanas, viz., Ksatriyas and Vaisyas) given to the performance of sacrifices and self-controlled Brahmanas observing austere vows do not undertake sacrificial performances in which everyone participating in it is both an officiating priest and a sacrificer. (13) In a rulerless land (even) Brahmanas richly endowed with wealth do not pay handsome sacrificial fees to the priests officiating (even) at big sacrificial performances (wherever such performances are undertaken, lest they may be taken for rich men and looted by brigands). (14) In a rulerless land festivals (in honour if deities) in which actors and dancers exhibit their art in a highly esctatic mood, and convivial gatherings promoting the welfare of the state do not gain strength. (15) In a rulerless land parties to a law-suit are not able to have their dispute settled, nor are those given to hearing stories from the Puranas etc., pleased with such stories told by those to whom the narration of such stories is agreeable. (16) In a rulerless land virgins decked with gold ornaments do not for their part go united to gardens to sport at dusk (for fear of being abducted or violated by miscreants). (17) In a rulerless land wealthy husband men and cowherds, even though well protected (by their attendants) do not sleep with open doors (for fear of burglars and dacoits). (18)

                      In a rulerless land lustful men do not drive in swift-going conveyances with women to pleasure-groves (for enjoying the forest scenery). (19) In a rulerless land sixty-year old (army) tuskers do not (for fear of being deprived of their tusks or bells) move about on the main roads with bells fastened to their girths. (20) In a rulerless land the sound of plucking the bow-string with the palm produced by Ksatriyas uninterruptedly discharging arrows while practising the use of bows is not heard. (21) In a rulerless land merchants travelling far and wide do not safely move about with abundant saleable goods. (22) In a rulerless land self-controlled ascetics noving all by themselves and contemplating on the Self with their own mind and taking up their abode wherever the evening falls do not move about (freely for want of hospitable householders). (23) In a rulerless land there is no acquisition of property and no security of possessions. Nor is the army able in a rulerless land to vanquish the foes in a battle. (24) In a rulerless land people do not quickly move out decked with ornaments in chariots driven by spirited horses of excellent breed. (25) In a rulerless land men well-versed in sacred lore do not meet (freely) holding disputations in forests and groves. (26) In a rulerless land flowers, sweetmeats and sacrificial fees are not got together for the worship of deities by self-controlled men. (27) In a rulerless land princes smeared with paste of sandal and aloe wood do not figure prominently as trees in the vernal season. (28)

                      A state without a ruler is really no better than rivers without water, a woodland without grass and cows without a keeper. (29) A standard is the distinguishing mark of a chariot, while smoke is testimony to (the presence of) fire. Kind Dasaratha, who likewise brought us, counsellors, into prominence (by bestowing this honour on us) has passed from the human state to the state of the gods. (30) In a rulerless land nothing is one's own in the eyes of anyone. Like fishes men devour one another. (31) (In the absence of a stable government) even those who do not believe in life after death and have flagrantly violated the rules of conduct prescribed by the Vedas and have (consequently) been tormented with punishment inflicted by the king and whose fear (of punishment) has (now) been dispelled (by the anarchy prevailing at the time) are able to exercise authority (over others). (32) (Just) as the eye ever strives for the good of the body (by serving as a guide to it and showing it the right path), so does the king, who is the fountain of truth and righteousness, ever strive for the good of the state. (33) The king is truthfulness and virtue (incarnate); the king constitutes the nobility of birth in men of a high pedigree. The king is the mother as well as the father, the king is the benefactor of men. (34)
                      (Even) Yama (the god of retribution), Kubera (the god of riches, son of Visrava), Indra (the ruler of gods) and the very mighty Varuna (the deity presiding over water) are outstripped by a king of excellent conduct by virtue of such conduct (inasmuch as he combines in himself the virtues of all the above-named deities). (35) If there is no king demarcating good and evil in the world, oh, this world will be reduced to (utter) darkness as it were and nothing can be clearly perceived. (36) Even while the emperor was alive, we all never violated your command only any more than the oceans overstep the coastline on reaching it. (37) Therefore, fully considering our (past) conduct (which has ever been loyal to the king and devoted to the best interests of the state) and looking on the state, which has been converted into a (veritable) jungle for want of a king, crown you along as king on this throne any prince who is a scion of Ikswaky, or anyone else, O jewel among the Brahmanas!" (38)

                      Thus ends Canto Sixty-seven in the Ayodhyakanda of the glorious Ramayana of Valmiki, the work od a Rsi and the oldest epic.





                      In a country suffering so much from anarchy for so long, it is stability which is of prime concern. Everything else comes later.

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                      • #12

                        Ethiopian troops, in support of the Somali government, began an offensive against Islamist rebels three days ago.


                        Unbiased reporting
                        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                        • #13
                          What is biased about that? There is an internationally recognized government and a group of Muslim fundamentalist rebels. Those are called facts; things fake boris should learn more about.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #14
                            Islamists are so evil that even firing on civilians from helicopters becomes acceptable! ****ers who turn a blind eye to that are the same ilk as islamist fanatic ****heads, ie. those who relish the killing of innocent.

                            Like I've said before, to many people the only thing that's wrong with islamist fanatics is that they worship the wrong sky pixie.
                            "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                            - Lone Star

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                            • #15
                              When the islamic militias won, the first thing they did was to forbid women from going to the beach
                              I need a foot massage

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