The importance of the Hadith, and their impact on modern Islam

[Fake Boris]

What do you call 'Islamic Law'?

Every country that is majoritarily Muslim has a different legislation.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
There are pieces of scripture in any religion or culture that, when not viewed in the proper historical context, can be interpreted as hateful.

There are pieces of scripture in any religion that, when viewed in the proper historical context, should be interpreted as hateful.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Sava

You are taking one piece of Islamic scripture out of context and using it to support your own bigoted viewpoint.

Again, you miss the essential point:

a) This is not scripture, and
b) This IS the goddamn context for that which is scripture

Originally posted by Sava

You are also assuming that the faith is monolithic.

Not really. The eternal validity of the example of the exemplary life of Mohammed is one of the central tenets of the faith, shared by all different sects.

Originally posted by Sava

Essentially, you are lumping every Muslim and all of Islam into one category and placing a label on it based upon your own ignorant interpretation of select pieces of scripture you have taken out of context.

Again, this worn-out "out-of-context" argument. When will you understand that the thing IS the bloody context? And that I brought it up because it needs NO goddamn interpretation, the meaning is clear as day?

Originally posted by Sava

Once you accept this fact, perhaps then we can start to have an actual discussion on the topic of Islam. Until then, your blather is not to be taken seriously.

I'm saying that I'm willing to discuss this issue. You're telling me that unless I accept that whatever I'm saying is wrong, any discussion is not possible. WTF sort of discussion is this supposed to be?






My challenge to you remains open:

Find a "good" interpretation for the Hadith which I posted.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
What do you call 'Islamic Law'?

Every country that is majoritarily Muslim has a different legislation.

I speak from my experiences in India. In India, Muslims are governed by their own laws, in matters internal to the community, such as marriage, divorce, inheritance, and so on. Of course, they have the option to go for secular law, but the amount who do so are negligible.

The body which decides Muslim law in India is the AIMPLB (All India Muslim Personal Law Board). Most of them have close links to the Darul Uloom, which is the university organisation which is famous not only in India, but throughout the Islamic world, for its tradition of jurisprudence.

It is based on their tradition that I am making this judgement.

They themselves were formed as a response to the loss of Muslim power over India to the Christian British. They were seen as revivers of the faith. They themselves drew inspiration from the indigenous jurisprudential tradition, and in university structure, from the great Islamic universities of the Sunni Al-Azhar in Egypt and the Shia Qum in Iran, to name the two most prominent.




The principles of Islamic jurisprudence remain constant irrespective of the school. People may use those principles to derive their own interpretation (it is a non-rigorous subject, after all), but the methods are the same everywhere. And in all of them, the Hadith are a primary source of law.

[Elok]

Originally posted by aneeshm
Let's take an example. Could you please give an alternate interpretation of the Hadith I posted which justifies murdering pregnant women if they "disparage the Prophet"?

Well, the thing is, people tend to pass on their values to their children. That woman's child would probably have disparaged the prophet as well, as would its children, its children's children, and so on through the centuries, unpunished, up till the present day. And her descendants would have multiplied exponentially by now. You can probably see where this is headed: if not for that sensible law, there would now be millions of people on 'Poly, vilifying a man from fifteen or so centuries ago to people who really do not give a rat's ass. The server would collapse under the strain. So we can plainly see the good this custom has led to. Allah u akbar!

[EyesOfNight]

You should realize by now Aneeshm that nothing you say will change anything here. I completely agree with your OP, and the very state of Islam right now proves that it is more than just some radical extremists using the religion and stories for political gain. This is Islam, and the "enlightened" people who continue to defend the religion and its followers are every bit as much a threat as the terrorists. Europe will be the front line as the Muslim population continues to increase while non-Muslims are actually decreasing. It will be interesting to see how long Europe hides behind multiculturalism and tolerance before they finally wake up to one of the biggest threats to Europe, and western civilization, that has ever existed.

[DinoDoc]

He also hates Christianity, Drix.

[EyesOfNight]

I'm not Christian, so I don't really care. I happen to support Christianity, and I believe it should remain the main religion in the US, but all religions share a common enemy and that is Islam. Islam is a threat to all ways of life and religion. It's a disease and it's spreading rapidly.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
He also hates Christianity, Drix.

I don't understand this obsession with "hate". I don't "hate". I don't even understand what the word means, never having felt it.

I consider all religions which prosletyse, or which convert others, as inherently destructive. This is not a moral judgement - that comes later. This is merely an assessment, an analysis.

[EyesOfNight]

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of Christianity's conversions either. I think all religions at this point should stay in their respective borders and not attempt to change the religion and culture of other countries. Islam has no respect for any culture or religion and does their damned best to turn our own laws against us (see the story about the imams suing for being taken off a flight). The world should unite against Islam and get rid of it once and for all. Then we can deal with real threats like China.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Drixnak
I happen to support Christianity, and I believe it should remain the main religion in the US, but all religions share a common enemy and that is Islam.

What's your opinion of Brahmin? Based on my limited experience with them they seem to be a whiny and insecure lot. Surely they need to be up on the enemies list as well.

[EyesOfNight]

I'll tell you what, when the Brahmin begin traveling to other countries, setting up terrorist networks, playing the victim as they bomb everyone to death, actively seek to change the laws of other countries to suit their religion, go out of their way to support Hindu terrorists while they claim Hinduism to be a religion of peace (assuming Hindus were to operate like islam), use the laws of other countries to change their culture, and a million other things...then yeah, we'd be on the same page at that point.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Drixnak
It will be interesting to see how long Europe hides behind multiculturalism and tolerance before they finally wake up to one of the biggest threats to Europe, and western civilization, that has ever existed.

Obviously, the Germanic tribes, the Huns, the black plague, the Ottoman empire are nothing compared to Malinese immigrants

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Obviously, the Germanic tribes, the Huns, the black plague, the Ottoman empire are nothing compared to Malinese immigrants

Obviously, you've never been ruled by Islamic law. If the Muslims had had their way with Europe, the entire world would be a mess.

[EyesOfNight]

You must forgive Spiffor, he's Canadian. Also, we just had a really big "we still like you Spiffor" thread to raise his self-esteem so try not to be too harsh on him.