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I don't think the president needs a DOW to use the military. And Congress doesn't either: look at the [unconstitutional] War Powers Resolution.
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It's pretty clear what Jackson was saying, and if you don't believe me, look at the rich case history interpreting Youngstown, such as Hamdan. In any case, Jackson was a tangential point in my argument, and y'all keep skirting the main point: the quasi-war cases establish Congress' jurisdiction over specifying the geographic terms of a military action, therefore redeployment falls safely within Congress' authority."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ramo, referring back to Vietnam for a second, could Congress have restricted the president's abiltity to go after commie bases in Cambodia and Laos either by bombing or invasion? Could they have called their own bombing halts over North Vietnam?http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Probably. As I was saying earlier, there's very little precedent that restricts Congressional jurisdiction over the military; the courts have taken an expansive view of Congressional power."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ned, you are just so wrong. Here's a quote from the BBC:Originally posted by Ned
We invaded France in 1943 without a DOW by Congress.
In the same or following years:
We invaded Algeria.
We invaded Tunisia.
We invaded Italy.
We invaded Belgium.
We invaded the Netherlands.
We invaded Germany in 1944-45 without a DOW by Congress.
Does this count?
Germany and Italy have announced they are at war with the United States. America immediately responded by declaring war on the two Axis powers.
On December 11th, 1941 Germany & Italy honored they're pack with Japan and declared war on the US. The US returned a declaration of war to both countries on the same day which covered not just those two countries but also all territories under the control or occupation of those two governments. There was indeed a Congressional Declaration of War in place. How on Earth could you ever think other wise?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Originally posted by Tiamat
Don't you think this is nothing but political grandstanding?
Because we all know Republicans never carry out their own political grandstanding tactics, right?A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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