Well, I'll be...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Oerdin


You're a nut!

Congress routinely puts strings on money and has since the founding of the Republic including requirements to end foreign involvements. How do you think Vietnam came to an end?

Not by Congress ordering the President to leave.

If you think Congress can tell the President to withdraw the troops from somewhere, or cause it to happen in any way but actually cutting off funding completely, you're an idiot.

And if they add it as a condition, the President can sign it and ignore, because the condition would be unconstitutional.

[Zkribbler]

How do you think Vietnam came to an end?

First there was a negotiated settlement. We brought our troops home. Congress voted that no money was to be used to send them back. And a couple of years later, North Vietnam broke its promises and invaded.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
No one's mentioning that, if Bush vetos this bill, he'll be the one cutting off spending for the troops.

Spinach farmers everywhere will curse him for vetoing their money.

[Dinner]

That's pretty standard practice to put things in must pass legislation. Don't you remember those monster "omnibus bills" the Republicans used to pass? They were pork ladened monsters yet I don't recall you ever whining like you are now over those bills.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That's pretty standard practice to put things in must pass legislation.

Oh well that obviously makes it Ok to waste the taxpayers' money. So much for the fiscal responsibility pledge. Can you honestly tell me for even one second that you believe the bill would have passed by even the slim margins it did without the bribes Pelosi and Ried put into it?

I don't recall you ever whining like you are now over those bills.

Why am I not suprised that you recall something wrongly?

[b etor]

[Dinner]

Rolleyes are indeed the best response to DinoDocs post.

[Drake Tungsten]

Oerdin's posts, OTOH, are best dealt with by not reading them at all...

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I choose to laugh mightily as I haven't quite reached the ignore completely stage.

Comedic value

BDS has its advantages for us sane folk after all.

[Dinner]

The three right wingers. Humpty, dumpty, and claude.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Rolleyes are indeed the best response to DinoDocs post.

This post is an example of why I don't usually bother treating you seriously.

[Dinner]

It seems we are in agreement. We both think the other doesn't have much to say that is worth listening to.

[DinoDoc]

Yet your hand is still attracted to the reply button like a moth to a flame.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Err... since when has a non-binding vote ever been "unconstitutional", Kuci?

They were doing so simply to express their position on the issue (and to show they can get votes if needed on Iraq type stuff).

So, if I understand correctly, the Congress and Senate have no say on foreign policy, but can undercut the problem by denying the President the credits he asks for?

[Kuciwalker]

No. Congress cannot command the military. Only the President has the authority to actually order troop movements, etc. However, Congress can simply cut funding.

But they cannot insert a clause in a funding that requires the President, to, say, withdraw all troops from Iraq.